New Mustangs are slow

[NEARING]

I'll add this as well. How many old musclecars out there are running 13's? Answer: not as many as you might think. Go to pure stock drags and watch most of the big blocks running 14's - I've seen it. Only the guys that have bent the rules a bit and know how to tune are running really respectable times and that's a point of fact.

I think alot of people heard the tall tales of thier uncle's stock SS 396 running 11.90's off the show room floor as fact.

 

[BuickMike]

The ONLY 4 bangers running deep 13's are AWD $32k+ and have a little thing called a........ turbo........you may have heard of it.

The new GT's run hi 13's (stick car) with a fair driver and with a DR,tune and gear will run 12.7ish. And still get 25+mpg. That's on par with a 60's muscle car with a tire,exh and gear. Except for the gas milage.

Put a tire,exh, smaller pulley and a tune on a 03-04 Cobra you're looking 12.0's or faster.

A mild converter, DR, and a tune is all a 05 GTO needs to run low 12's through the factory exh.

I won't even talk about them Da#@ SRT8's. (Transmission envy).

Have you actually seen cars with these combos running these times? I'm not trying to discount what you are saying, however I hear people talk about what certain cars with certain combos will run all the time, but I hardly ever see it at the track. Take me for example. I could go on about how my GN is high 11's capable given my mods, however I am yet to prove it. Until I get that timeslip, I have a 12 second car. There have been a few GN owners to even pull off 11.90's with stock turbo and injectors, but I'm not going to go around stating that GN's are 11's capable with that combo because most run in the mid to high 12's. I also have seen 2 Supercharged Cobras at the track with pulley, tune, cold air, DR's and Bassini exhaust. Neither one made it out of the high 12's. I saw a '05 GTO with DR's, a tune, and a K&N run low 13's. I stand by these facts because I actually spoke to the people in person and watched them run with my own eyes.

 

[got rice?]

well just fyi i have heard of a turbo(ive owned a couple),its still a joke that what was origionally known as a bad a$$ muscle car,has to keep up with a 4 bangers reguardless of the turbo these days,and a car that also costs about the same. either way the GTO,and the charger more door look like crap,weigh 2 tons and another FYI, my 71 GS runs 13's all day long- stock,full weight. each to their own opinion though,i seem to have unintentionaly riled up the economy cruisers. im done before this turns into a pissing contest. :smile:

 

[lieu910]

well just fyi i have heard of a turbo(ive owned a couple),its still a joke that what was origionally known as a bad a$$ muscle car,has to keep up with a 4 bangers reguardless of the turbo these days,and a car that also costs about the same. either way the GTO,and the charger more door look like crap,weigh 2 tons and another FYI, my 71 GS runs 13's all day long- stock,full weight. each to their own opinion though,i seem to have unintentionaly riled up the economy cruisers. im done before this turns into a pissing contest. :smile:

Happy passive agressive holidays Bring that GS up to Chicago ANYTIME and I'll give you a look at the back of my wagon

 

[NEARING]

Have you actually seen cars with these combos running these times? I'm not trying to discount what you are saying, however I hear people talk about what certain cars with certain combos will run all the time, but I hardly ever see it at the track. Take me for example. I could go on about how my GN is high 11's capable given my mods, however I am yet to prove it. Until I get that timeslip, I have a 12 second car. There have been a few GN owners to even pull off 11.90's with stock turbo and injectors, but I'm not going to go around stating that GN's are 11's capable with that combo because most run in the mid to high 12's. I also have seen 2 Supercharged Cobras at the track with pulley, tune, cold air, DR's and Bassini exhaust. Neither one made it out of the high 12's. I saw a '05 GTO with DR's, a tune, and a K&N run low 13's. I stand by these facts because I actually spoke to the people in person and watched them run with my own eyes.

Maybe the owner of that GTO couldn't drive? Was it a 6spd car? Dude needs to get his money back from that tune, an 05 will pickup 20rwhp from a tune alone and more importantly remove the T/M, even 6spd cars have it.

Well Yes I have. I go to the track, A hell of a lot. Main reason I bought the GTO was to have something to race every wekend while the GN was down.

ART lives about 25 min from me has an 05 GTO that with a tune from Jeff at Carolina auto masters, yank 3600 converter, CAI(which most say doesn't help) and 275 nittos (the least hooking DR's out there) run a string low 12.3x's@110 through the facrory exh on a street nite in 85 deg heat. Low 1.7 60ft times and it's his wifes daily driver too. I couldn't get out of the 13.30's the same nite.

I have a time slip somewhere around here where a ran 05 GT with 30 day tags and he ran 13.60 something@102-103 to my 13.20 something@105.

If someone can't get an 03-04 Cobra with those mods out of the high 12's they should sell the car. They would get laughed off the track at VMP or Richmond. A cobra with those mods will trap around 115 mph.

I do know a kid with an 05 6spd GTO that runs mid 13's but he can't drive for crap.

The same reason I don't raise the BS flag on SRT8 owners when I hear them running 12.80's stock, I haven't seen one do it at our tracks but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Guess I'll have to bring the video camera with me to the track from now on.

I don't spout Magazine times.

 

[NEARING]

well just fyi i have heard of a turbo(ive owned a couple),its still a joke that what was origionally known as a bad a$$ muscle car,has to keep up with a 4 bangers reguardless of the turbo these days,and a car that also costs about the same. either way the GTO,and the charger more door look like crap,weigh 2 tons and another FYI, my 71 GS runs 13's all day long- stock,full weight. each to their own opinion though,i seem to have unintentionaly riled up the economy cruisers. im done before this turns into a pissing contest. :smile:

I'm Your stock GS runs the same as a new stock GTO but the GTO is slow? Does that mean you think your GS is slow? I think I've been bombazzled with BS! My head hurts now.

Guess I'll have to go park pile on the R/R trax because another TB.com member hates it. BOOhoo.

But thanks for the FYI!

 

[got rice?]

yes i think 13 sec is slow to todays standards,the part about my GS was because it was said that muscle cars couldnt run quicker than 14's and on a side not your a friggin prick. i guess i cant voice my opinion because we have homo's like you that like to start S##T buy being a D##K to people. FU

 

[got rice?]

Happy passive agressive holidays Bring that GS up to Chicago ANYTIME and I'll give you a look at the back of my wagon

im sure you can. i paid $4500 for my GS in mint condition and the only money ive put into it was gas money. merry christmas :biggrin:

 

[NEARING]

yes i think 13 sec is slow to todays standards,the part about my GS was because it was said that muscle cars couldnt run quicker than 14's and on a side not your a friggin prick. i guess i cant voice my opinion because we have homo's like you that like to start S##T buy being a D##K to people. FU

Well newbie, show me where I said all muscle cars run 14's? Made a personel attack OR put down anyone's car. Only you did that. And I'm the pri..?LOL

13's from the factory is slow by todays standards? How many 12 sec factory new cars do you think are out there? Hmmmm?

03-04 Cobra (with a good driver)
New Vette
High end BMW or Benz
Saleen Mustang
SRT8...maybe?

That's about it.

This isn't e-thug.com You won't last long on here.

Merry Christmas.

 

[gofstbuick]

Everyone needs to take a step back for a moment and chill. We've got a long winter season ahead of us (with little to no car events or racing), so I know some of you guys get antsy :biggrin: . Since this thread was reported to admin, I'll subscribe to this thread. Please be a litttle tolerant of your fellow board members.

thanks

 

[Blown&Injected]

Hey Blown&Injected,
You, done, used have a list of mods in a personalized signature.
What happened?

Lots of new and different mods - need to update.

 

[Blown&Injected]

If you have a SSEi, basic mods actually make a nice difference. I had a 99 Regal GS with a 3.4 pulley, 72mm TB, Cold Air, Intense PCM, Trasher shift kit, and a cat back. Let me tell you, those mods made one hell of a difference on the butt dyno and gas mileage improved. The down side is that the 3.8 Supercharged motors tend to get finicky with mods just like ours. Also the stock tranny doesn't seem to last long after mods and the most likely thing to happen if the car is not running right is a chipped rringland off of the piston. My GS had 85K miles and was starting to show wear, so I traded it in on the Saabaru.

It is not the SC version, but my 95 Bonneville, according to Car & Driver, is faster than some newer SC versions. I also have a 2001 Bonneville and it is not as fast as the 95.

 

[JDSfastGN]

wow lol so factory low 13s-high 12s out of a GTO is slow... it would blow 99% of the older muscle cars out of the water and make a bone stock GN look stupid. The new GTs can be impressive, one of my good friends has a 05 GT auto with a superchips tuner as its only mod and ran a 13.4 at 103 on stock tires. He had two runs that appeared better after that 13.4 but got a "no time" both times. Guess we'll never know. The present muscle car era is by far the best time to ever be in the market for a performance car and its only gonna get better. The new shelby GT500, the camaro will be back (look for a concept in january) and the challenger will be a stout peice as well. That along with the huge amount of very stout 03-04 cobras and 98-02 LS1 cars out there prowling the streets, 11s on the street doesn't mean nearly as much today as it would have any time in the past. Ask how I know.

 

[BuickMike]

Everyone needs to take a step back for a moment and chill. We've got a long winter season ahead of us (with little to no car events or racing), so I know some of you guys get antsy :biggrin: . Since this thread was reported to admin, I'll subscribe to this thread. Please be a litttle tolerant of your fellow board members.

thanks

I was going to chime in myself about this. I don't want to get anyone upset here. We're all just giving our opinions about new musclecars vs. new imports.

Nearing, I guess one thing we need to keep in mind is air quality. If I remember correctly Richmond is sitting at less than 200 ft above sea level. From my experience and others, cars run about .5 seconds slower out here in Phoenix (Firebird Raceway 1200ft) than at Pamona in CA, which is at 500 ft. We also have hot, dry air most of the year. I'm guessing that compared to where you're at, we're probably about .6 slower here. Either way, I am still not impressed with the new GT's. I need to get my Saabaru to the track out here and get some #'s.

 

[NEARING]

I was going to chime in myself about this. I don't want to get anyone upset here. We're all just giving our opinions about new musclecars vs. new imports.

Nearing, I guess one thing we need to keep in mind is air quality. If I remember correctly Richmond is sitting at less than 200 ft above sea level. From my experience and others, cars run about .5 seconds slower out here in Phoenix (Firebird Raceway 1200ft) than at Pamona in CA, which is at 500 ft. We also have hot, dry air most of the year. I'm guessing that compared to where you're at, we're probably about .6 slower here. Either way, I am still not impressed with the new GT's. I need to get my Saabaru to the track out here and get some #'s.

1200ft. I'd be lucky to hit 13.60 at that elev. Your turbo Scooby won't suffer as badly as a N/A car at higher elev.

 

[thunderace31]

lol 32,000 4banger can woop the **** out of a new Mustang that cost MORE! All the Mustangs on our dealer lots that I install graphics @ are stickered to 33,900 and UP!
Of they all have leather and all the bells and carp you get including sun roof but How many do you see set up any other way??
Subi's only come pretty much load also! FOR LESS $$
Hate to say it but I bet that little Subaru will make 450HP with fewer mods than a mustang and will out handle it as well!

Sorry Like I said I love the new mustang looks great! (Same cant be said for some of GM's new cars) Sad but true)
For the $$ I can get something else that will and can be made WAY Faster even if its not built in the US. (Hate to break this to everyone but most "USA" Cars have 70% of there parts made outside the good ol USA
Also Sad but true
Anyway its all just my .02 and I dont want to cause a war I am one of those people that WILL NOT BUY A BRAND NEW Car just because I hate to spend that much money and lose 6,000-10,000 in the first year of havin the damn thing. Not worth it to me. I get one when there 2-3 years old and save the $$

 

[NJVetteGuy]

all V8 so called "muscle cars" these days are a friggin joke. itty bitty horse power and weighing in at as much as my 71'455 GS. look at the new gto,that car is a$$ ugly,4000lbs and slow as blowing wet crap up a hill.no to mention over priced. thats why kids just go with hondas,and the kids with daddy's money go with wrx's. sadly,production muscle cars are dead.

My '04 GTO went 13.5 bone stock. It's not stock anymore, my girlfriend followed me out to the BPG Nats in it this year. We went out to dinner, and I happened to be driving when we pulled up next to a '70 GS455. The GS got raped by about 5 carlengths 0-100. The new stuff is every bit as strong as the older musclecars, you just need to pull your head outta your arse long enough to see it. I've had a bunch of 66-72 Skylarks and GS cars, so don't even say I don't know what I'm talking about.

P.S. If you think your 13 second car is that quick, PM me and we can set up a race with my GTO. Bring money.

 

[Drip Pan]

I'm with Artie on this one. As for cost, I paid about $23k for my GTO new, and I don't think 13.6s is too bad for a daily driver...especially when the wife is driving. In her (and my) mind that's okay, but she's more into going fast with the GN (her best was 11.5X at 117+ on the old combo, 12.2 at 124 on the new one driving off idle-- oh well )

 

[BuickMike]

$23K for a GTO? Nice! I actually only paid 21K for my Saab since I got it during the employee discount sale. I would have never paid full price for it. It's a great little car though.

 

[waldo786]

I like some of the newer cars and the options they have. I love to have cruise control, air conditioning, etc. Fuel injection over carburation is much nicer in my opinion. The only thing is though you're going to pay gobbs of money for these new cars. Not sure how you got a new GTO for 23K but that is very good. Most of these cars are around 30K or more and in one post someone mentioned a new vette. Yeah they're nice but they're at least 50K and I think more but I know none of these are in my price range. I just know if I used that much money to put into either a classic muscle car or GN I could probably be a lot faster than any of those new cars. For me I enjoy the older styles, but also for the money they're a better value. After you buy those other mustangs and gto's you're still going to have to pay extra money to upgrade. IMHO just not worth it...