PT70 P-Trim Compared To GTQ71
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EightSecV6
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Bill....the jury is still out on the GTQ 71, the difference between the GTQ 70 and 71 is the billet compressor wheel on the 71. Not really sure if there is more power in it or not.... BUT EITHER will kick the sh1t out of your P trim even with a 3 bolt hsg,and probably do it with less converter, the TSM guys are deep in the mid 9's with combos real similar to yours at a comparable weight.
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BUT EITHER will kick the sh1t out of your P trim even with a 3 bolt hsg,and probably do it with less converter, the TSM guys are deep in the mid 9's with combos real similar to yours at a comparable weight.
Bill, being as that is such a bold statement, I only know of 2 cars, Roy G and Dave Bamford that are deep into the 9's with TSM or TSE cars? But of course other than Dave, those times were accomplished at either Reynolds or Bradenton and I don't believe Roy has accomplished that at a TSM legal event, plus when Roy ran the 9.60's that was accomplished with a Turbonetics T70 comp wheel and cover with a custom turbine wheel Laz put together with it. So I only know of ONE car DEEP into the 9's. The rest are at 9.90's or low 10's. As for Dave's combination, I don't believe a 15,000 to 20,000 dollar motor has much in common with the majority of motors running TSM. But, No doubt a larger PTE turbo should whip a smaller PTE turbo.
If I missed something here Bill, please don't take this wrong, educate me.
Bill, being as that is such a bold statement, I only know of 2 cars, Roy G and Dave Bamford that are deep into the 9's with TSM or TSE cars? But of course other than Dave, those times were accomplished at either Reynolds or Bradenton and I don't believe Roy has accomplished that at a TSM legal event, plus when Roy ran the 9.60's that was accomplished with a Turbonetics T70 comp wheel and cover with a custom turbine wheel Laz put together with it. So I only know of ONE car DEEP into the 9's. The rest are at 9.90's or low 10's. As for Dave's combination, I don't believe a 15,000 to 20,000 dollar motor has much in common with the majority of motors running TSM. But, No doubt a larger PTE turbo should whip a smaller PTE turbo.
If I missed something here Bill, please don't take this wrong, educate me.
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Jack,
Regardless of who makes it, with WBrophy's combination a Q trim turbo will make more power than it will with a P trim it currently has just as you agreed in your post above??????? I said in my post the GTQ 70 or 71 will kick the SH1T out of his current 5 year old P trim 70, How many 9 second tse OR tsm based cars use a P trim 70? What part of my post is not accurate? I bet the person who initially posted the question would appreciate your comments on which turbo would work better for him more than he would like to see my response picked apart! Educate me if I missed something.
Jack, Roy's car ran 9.45 @143.92mph with a TSM legal GTQ turbo at BG this year with the great weather conditions (sarcasm) although the car was in TSE trim (it weighed 3435lbs).... At Reynolds I think you will see Roy's car run some low 9's (9.20's would be my guess) in the same trim that it had in BG.... I think you would be VERY hard pressed to find a car of similar weight with a 3-bolt 70-72mm P-trim (or even the older style Q-trim) turbo running as fast as Roy, but that's just my opinion....
Lets all get our $$ out and a hand full of turbos and go to the track and test these turbos all out the same day, all on Roys car. I think there would be enough side betting to make it worth everybodys time.
I bet 9.20's with a 70mm TSM legal 3 bolt isn't going to EVER happen.
Ted
Originally posted by Ted A.
Lets all get our $$ out and a hand full of turbos and go to the track and test these turbos all out the same day, all on Roys car. I think there would be enough side betting to make it worth everybodys time.
I bet 9.20's with a 70mm TSM legal 3 bolt isn't going to EVER happen.
Ted
Ted, I'm not sure what you're confused about.... Here's what Laz had to say before in another thread when the turbo on Roy's car was brought into question on whether or not it's TSM legal....
"Steve i told everyone we run a 72 gt-q turbo. I have tryed a couple of different pieces and this one works it is only 70 mm but its a cut down larger wheel the inlet is only 71.4 mm and the exducer is larger than a t-70 wheel but legal in TSM so thats the scoop. The fastest pass we ran was a 9.45@143.92 it was 90 degrees and 100 percent humidity so i expect a faster pass here soon maybe 2 tenths and a mile an hour or 2 . The track was slick for us even though they prepeded it well our best 60 ft was 1.39 if you saw the car at bradenton you would know its got 1.28 in it easy. Weights the reason we ran tse to run tsm we would have to add weight we ran at 3435 for tsm you need to be 3550 and make alot more runs .Ted i did not get to meet you but your right tech was simple and only one car that was not legal for tse it had a spray nitrous cooler and no headlight and something else i forgot ."
Based on this I think 9.20's with a TSM legal 3-bolt turbo on Roy's car is VERY possible.... Keep in mind everytime Laz has said Roy's car will go faster it has so if you don't think it will the odds are against you BIG time!!!!
I mean seriously Ted you don't think the better weather at Reynolds will help Roy's car any???As I told you before Ted those guys don't BS and they sure as hell don't play around!
"Originally posted by Ted A.
Garcia's car is NOT in TSM trim. In any case, it was a very impressive car to watch.
Hey i didn't know anyone measured my turbo at the nats to know its bigger than a TSM 70 . I have run Tsm before and know the rules very well . I don't think anyone should say our car was not legal to run TSM unless you know something i don't . The rules state that the compressor cover can not be any bigger than 71.5 mm on the opening to fit a 70 mm compressor wheel and our turbo will pass the plug test . I talked to Harry at the nats about a new 74 turbo so maybe next years outlaw race will be fun ."
This post by Laz must've been missed by you or I guess you just don't believe he's telling the truth??? What's the deal Ted
Garcia's car is NOT in TSM trim. In any case, it was a very impressive car to watch.
Hey i didn't know anyone measured my turbo at the nats to know its bigger than a TSM 70 . I have run Tsm before and know the rules very well . I don't think anyone should say our car was not legal to run TSM unless you know something i don't . The rules state that the compressor cover can not be any bigger than 71.5 mm on the opening to fit a 70 mm compressor wheel and our turbo will pass the plug test . I talked to Harry at the nats about a new 74 turbo so maybe next years outlaw race will be fun ."
This post by Laz must've been missed by you or I guess you just don't believe he's telling the truth??? What's the deal Ted
As my quote was made. His car was not in TSM trim, then he stated it was, then changed his story it wasn't(because of weight). Either way, I was right. Talk to the TSM guys running down there and tell them to stop spreading rumors.
How am I supposed to believe everything?? This stuff looks like the $hit that comes out of Washington.
Ted
How am I supposed to believe everything?? This stuff looks like the $hit that comes out of Washington.
Ted
Laz just stated that the turbo was legal for TSM, but as he said in that one post I quoted (where he was responding to me) they didn't run TSM because they would have to add weight to run TSM (car weighed 3435lbs, but in TSM with aluminum heads you have to weigh 3550lbs)....
What TSM guys down here are spreading rumors and better yet what rumors are they spreading?? In the end I really don't care what rumors they are spreading cause the bottom line is people will believe whatever they want to believe and vice versa!
I am not going to get into the "rumors" that went around. As I said in my other posts, if there was REAL tech in this class, there would be no disputes. There was a comment about 9.2x E.T. in TSM trim, I find it hard to believe that time can be reached with a 3 bolt turbo.
I NEVER said anything about running 9.20's in TSM trim, BUT I think 9.20's with a TSM legal turbo on Roy's car (which is a little too light for TSM thus the reason they ran TSE) is possible especially at Reynolds!
In TSM trim I think a car could run 9.40's or possibly a 9.3x ET with a killer 60' @144-145mph.... The ported shroud TSM legal turbo (the one that is "supposed" to be outlawed at the GSCA events) should be worth a little more power of the GSCA legal (non ported shroud) unit...
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Ted,
Should read "I find it hard to believe that time can be reached with a 3 bolt TSM LEGAL turbo" Several guys have already gone 8's with 3 bolt turbos (88mm of course!). I knew what you meant... just thought I'd rib ya a little since my posts get cut up so bad!!!!!!! I really dont think 9.20's is out of the question after what I saw in BG with this class.
Originally posted by 86brick
I guess we'll see what happens at Reynolds....
BTW Ted, do you know when Dave (top gun) is bringing out his stock block car?? I know he mentioned he wants 8's with the new motor
He is probably still fabbing up some parts that split hairs in the rule book. You know, a lot of effort for 3 races a year hopefully. I thought he was talking about some 5's in the 1/8th, not 8's. He should be able to spank out a 5.99 at 142 with a 1.30 60' and still keep her in the 9.4x range in legal TSM trim.
Bill, you deserved that shot. You have had a hard week.
I say we scrap your dyno day for $$$ and take this all to the track for some real E.T./MPH. I'll ante up some $$. This will be fun.
He did mention 5's in the 1/8th, but he also mentioned running 8's with a stock block in one of the threads on here.... My guess is he'll bring it out to run (dominate) some TSM races he goes to and then just for sh!ts and giggles throw on a bigger turbo (like a GTQ or GTS 76mm) and try for some 8's.... Gotta wonder if he went to a solid roller?? Hopefully he brings it to Reynolds so I can see that bad boy (I'll most likely be there cause my brother plans to run his car)......
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