question for Mobil 1 oil users.

[Brer Rabbit]

A guy I know has a 20k mile TType, he is the original owner and has used Mobil 1 from day one. We got to talking about oils and I mentioned the lack of anti-wear agents in conventional oils today and he got concerned and asked if Mobil 1 has the anti wear agents. I didnt know for sure so I told him I would ask a group of experts that I know ....That of course is U guys. So what do u think does Mobil 1 have the anti wear agents needed for a stock cam or not. Also what is the life span of the Mobil 1 sitting in an engine and started every once in a while---should he change it out after 6 months even if the mileage never gets close to 3k?

 

[bison]

A guy I know has a 20k mile TType, he is the original owner and has used Mobil 1 from day one. We got to talking about oils and I mentioned the lack of anti-wear agents in conventional oils today and he got concerned and asked if Mobil 1 has the anti wear agents. I didnt know for sure so I told him I would ask a group of experts that I know ....That of course is U guys. So what do u think does Mobil 1 have the anti wear agents needed for a stock cam or not. Also what is the life span of the Mobil 1 sitting in an engine and started every once in a while---should he change it out after 6 months even if the mileage never gets close to 3k?

There is minimal zinc in the Mobil 1. I would add half a container of GM EOS if you can still find it at the local dealer. I wouldnt bother changing it unless it wa contaminated with a lot of fuel. There may me other options on oil additives such as STP but i used to use EOS myself.

 

[GSX-PKV]

I have used Mobil 1 in both my cars for years. 4 years ago I switched to a roller cam in my T-Type but my GSX still has a flat tappet cam. Even with the use of Mobil 1 during all this time, the GSX suddenly developed a flattening cam lobe this spring!!! Now I always add GM's EOS with every oil change in the car with the flat tappet cam.

I think for a car that is seldom driven, it might be a good idea to change the oil twice a year. I'm no expert, but this is just my opinion.

 

[87GNSteve]

Bad news GM's EOS has been discontinued.
Alot of folks like the diesel oils. Shell Rotella, Chevron
then there are the dedicated racing oils. Valvoline Vr-1

Here is a handy link:
Oils: What motor oil should I use?

 

[Dreamcar86]

You have just asked a question that is a topic of much debate. I have spent hours surfing the internet about conventional vs synthetic. Most experts say that you cannot go wrong with synthetic. It is supposed to have more anti wear agents than conventional oil however I am not a chemical engineer or petroleum expert. I am strictly going off the advice of many experts who have shared their opinions.

 

[300kGN]

I don't know if Mobil 1 has changed, or needed to change, to meet the new regs. According to its original owner, mine has had various weights of Mobil 1 since new. I've had it since 1999+/- and stuck with the program-check my sig.
PS- GSX cam wear-I read a very interesting post re. cam wear/break-in recently on this site, had a link to comp cams site. Do a search and you will find info on the cause.

 

[bsdlinux]

Got tired of Mobil and the rest of them changing their recipe. I drive my T every day it gets nothing but one of the best oils you can get, Royal Purple. I don't have to worry about EOS or any other additives. I put the RP in and forget it about it , no worries.

 

[GSX-PKV]

What was surprising was the cam was in the GSX for 7 years and 10,000 miles before this happened this spring. I was just wondering if the Mobil 1 formula has changed to have a lot less zinc.

 

[Gary Wells]

Yes Mobil1 has changed, but that depends on what time frame you are comparing the Mobil1 that is on the shelf today too.
All motor oils are changing excepting oils that are not street legal and so identified. Rotella changed about 3 months ago when they changed their container color & scheme. If Royal Purple hasn't changed yet, I imagine it will sometime in the near future. Valvoline VR1 is a street legal oil, and it has reduced it anti-scuff agentgs also. Valvoline Racing oil marked on the container "Not legal for street use" or something close to that has slightly more anti scuff agents but very little or no detergents. GM EOS has been dis-continued, but a almost identical item is now or will be shortly available under a AC-Delco label. Almost any good cam manufacturer has cam assembly and / or break in lube available. There is also STP & Lucas Oil Stabilizer. I have run Mobil1 in all of my vehicles since about '86 or so, and I am going to continue using Mobil1 10W-30 synthetic but with about 1/2 bottle of GM EOS with it in my almost stock 22K original mile TR. Lots of good info available on this subject on all sites under "GM-EOS" & "Oil Addetives". Do a search. HTH

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/224531-e-o-s-discontinued.html

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/224551-synthetic-oil-e-o-s.html

No more GM EOS: - t6p.com - Turbo Buick Regal Resource

 

[Dreamcar86]

Here is some interesting information testing the different synthetics.

synthetic oil comparison - Royal Purple Mobil 1 Castrol Redline Amsoil

 

[mybuick]

i see amsoil passes all tests. now i got to find the oil in the chicagoland area.... i find wharehouses but i have to see if they sell to the public. parts stores around me don't sell amsoil and jegs and summit dont either. the gm dealers around me are out of eos so i will make calls tommarow and see where i can find amsoil....

 

[QWIKWE4]

Heres a link to a pretty good write up about oil additives and ZDDP content.

Oils: What motor oil should I use? Which oil is best for my Porsche or aircooled engine?

 

[Gary Wells]

Bob Is The Oil Guy: Viewing list of forums

 

[87GNSteve]

Heres a link to a pretty good write up about oil additives and ZDDP content.

Oils: What motor oil should I use? Which oil is best for my Porsche or aircooled engine?

I posted the same link might be better to just poist the info since alot of people pass links up....

Name ....................,...Visc........P(ppm)....Zn(ppm)......B(ppm)....Det(ppm). Date
Amerilube ..................10w50... 1254 ....1115 .......3001..... .................SL 04/07 SYN
Amsoil AFL Euro........... 5w40... .701 .....804..........50...........1452 ........SL 11/06 SYN
Amsoil HDEO ................5w40 ....794 .....1081.......2276............ ........CJ-4 11/06 SYN
Amsoil Series 2000 Racin 20w50.. 1014 ...1123 ........12........ 3209 ......SM 02/07 SYN
Amsoil V-Twin/MC........ 20w50... 1193 ...1281 ........3564 ....................SJ 11/05 SYN
Amsoil XL-7500............ 5w20.... 334 .....1096 ........209...... 3061..........SL 06/06 SEMI
Castrol Act Evo ............20w50.. 765 .....1126 ....... 1724 ....................SG 05/06 DINO
Castrol GPS 4STK MC2... 20w50.. 767 .....1133....... .1544 ....................SG 05/06 SYN
Castrol GTX................. 20w50.. 1157 ...1422 ........1848 ....................SM 11/05 DINO
Castrol GTX High Mile..... 20w50. 1248 ....1382 .......1848 ....................SM 06/06 DINO
Castrol Syntec .............5w50.... 921 .....914..........58.......... 2628..... SM 11/05 SYN
Castrol Tection Extra.....15w40... 965 .....1094........46........... 2461 .....CI-4 3/07 DINO
Castrol TWS................ 10w60 ...425 .....1294........111......... 2383 ......SJ 06/06 SYN
Chevron Delo 400 .........15w40....1191 ....1622 .......3668 ....................CI-4 06/06 DINO
Delvac 1 ....................5w40.....1390 ....1803.........76 ............2583 .....CI-4 11/05 SYN
Delvac 1300 Super........ 15w40...1380 ....1702........78 ............2388 .....CI-4 11/05DINO
Elf 505.01 VW ...............5w40... 584 .....1092........2691 ......................SL 05/06 SYN
Exxon Av Break-in oil ......20w50...1..... .....4.......... 23 ..................N/A..... 11/05 DINO
Exxon Av Oil .................20w50 ...702 .....32.......... 33 ..................N/A 11/05 SEMI
Exxon Superflow............ 20w50....717 .....848........96 .............2650 ....SM 06/06 DINO
Ford Motorcraft............. 5w20.....545 ......848......298 .............2005.... SM 01/07 SEMI
Harley Davidson Syn3 .....20w50...1081 .....1182..... 264.......... 1482..... SG 11/05 SYN
Havoline .......................20w50...425 .......494......87 .............1049.... SM 03/07 DINO
Joe Gibbs Racing XP5...... 20w50...920 ......1231..... 504....................... SG 04/07 SEMI
Kendal GT (Vintage)....... 20W50...1229 .....1415 ....2408...................... SE 11/05 DINO
Kendall GT.................... 20w50...904 ......1233......2885 .....................SM 06/06 DINO
KendallGT....................10w30....582 .......872.......278 .............1416 ....SM 11/05 SEMI
Kendall GT.................... 10w40...598 .......897 .....282 ..............1565.. SM 11/05 SEMI
Lucas High Perf. Motor Oil .20w50..386 .......460..... 214............. 1079 ...SM 02/07 SYN
Mobil1 ..........................0w40......761 .......876 .....167 ..........2630.....SM 3/07 SYN
Mobil 1.......................... 0w40....796 .......907..... 178.......... 2650..... SM 03/07 SYN
Mobil 1......................... 0w40.....808....... 976 .....185.......... 3256..... SL 04/03 SYN
Mobil 1 .........................0w40.....706 ........834 ....148.......... 2246.... SM 02/05 SYN
Mobil 1 .........................15w50....952 .......1030 ....41 ..........2175 .....SM 03/07 SYN
Mobil 1 EP..................... 15w50....1193 ......1376 ...228.......... 2970.... SL 04/07 SYN
Mobil 1 EP..................... 15w50....1062 .....1279 ....79 ..........2485 .....SM 04/07 SYN
Mobil 1 EP..................... 15w50....906 .......1024.... 72 ..........2071..... SM 01/06 SYN
Mobil 1 EP .....................15w50....1315 .....1428 ....226 ..........2593.... SL 11/05 SYN
Mobil 1 mx4t ..................10w40....1277 .....1460 ....188 ..........2025 ....SG 03/07 SYN
Mobil 1 mx4t ..................10w40....1411 .....1623 ....188.......... 2248.... SG 04/07 SYN
Mobil 1 R .......................0w30.....1399 .....1536 ....178 ..........3051.... SG 02/04 SYN
Mobil 1 Super Syn ...........15w50....1343 .....1390 ....205 ..........2601.... SL 11/05 SYN
Mobil 1 Truck & SUV ........5w40.....1034 .....1247 ....51 2..........826...... CI-4 04/07 SYN
Mobil 1 V Twin ................20w50...1329 ......949 ....204 ..........2130...... SG 11/05 SYN
Mobil 5k Clean ................10w40....660 ......1028 ...2895 .....................SM 06/06 DINO
Mobil High Mile.................10w40....527 ......1021...2844 ......................SM 06/06 DINO
Motul 300V Competition ....5w40.....1317 .....1409 ..19 ..........3273........ SH 04/05 SYN
Motul 300V Competition.... 15w50....1139 ....1130 ...20 ..........2410....... SH 05/05 SYN
Motul 505.01 VW............. 5w40.....973 ......1226...2830 .......................SL 05/06 SYN
Motul Competition........... 15w50...1148 .....1327 ...11.......... 2723 ........SH 05/06 SYN
Motul Tekma Mega..........15w40...1220..... 1737...145.......... 3469 ........CI-4 05/06 DINO
Mystik............................15w40...1130 .....224 ... 3104 ....................CI-4 03/07 DINO
Mystik........................... 10w50...700 ......799 ... 2003.................... CI-4 03/07 SEMI
Pennzoil .........................20w50...501 ......800 ....223 ..........2062...... SM 01/07 DINO
Quaker State Q Full Syn... 5w50......923 .....908 ...1917.......... .............SM 11/05 SYN
Redline ..........................15w50....924 .....1004 ....27 ..........2287 ........SM 02/07 SYN
Redline ..........................10w40....1440 ....1872 ..3039 ......................SL 11/05 SYN
Rotella ...........................15w40....843 .....946 .....26 ..........1881 .......CJ-4 03/07 DINO
Rotella .........................15w40.....996 .....1130 ...32 ..........2054 .......CJ-4 04/07 DINO
Rotella...........................15w40.....1278 ...1555....2946 .....................CI-4 11/05 DINO ..
Rotella...........................5w40.......1397 ...1552...2921 .......................CI-4 11/05 SYN
Royal Purple....................20w50.....668.... 763......2034 ......................SJ 02/07 SYN
Royal Purple ...................20w50.....1290....1337....3295 ......................SJ 11/05 SYN ..
Royal Purple Max Cycle.....10w40......4085 ...1222....2599 ......................SJ 07/05 SYN
Royal Purple Max Cycle.....20w50.....3179 ....1030....2142 ......................SJ 04/07 SYN
Royal Purple Max Cycle.....20w50.....3907 ....1458....2478 .....................SJ 11/05 SYN
Royal Purple Racing 51......20w50.....1285 ....1417....2639 .....................SJ 11/05 SYN
Royal Purple XPR..............10w40.....1034 ....1741....2709 .....................SJ 12/06 SYN
Schaeffer 7000 Supreme...20w50.....1249 ....1626....2451 ....................SL 06/06 SEMI
Schaeffer 9000 Supreme...5w40.......1113 ...1315....10 ..........3126 ......SL 07/05 SYN
Torco SR-1.....................20w50.....363 .....412......759 .....................SG 03/07 SYN
Torco SR-5.....................20w50 ....1072 ...830......10 ..........1481 .......SG 02/07 SYN
Torco T-4SR...................20w50 ....1059 ...969......1293..................... SG 05/06 SYN
Torco TR-1.....................20w50.... 670......571 .....958 .....................SG 03/07 SYN
Torco V Series ST............20w50.....1030....1286....2231 ....................SG 05/06 SEMI
Valvoline All Fleet Plus.......15w40 ....1110....1232...3559 ....................CI-4 10/06 DINO
Valvoline Durablend...........20w50.....566.....732.....13 ..........2606........ SM 06/06 SEMI
Valvoline Max Life.............20w50.....691.....879.....17 ..........2170 ........SM 11/05 DINO
Valvoline Prem. Blue........15w40.....1314...1838.....158.......... 4329.......... CI-406/06 DINO
Valvolinesynpower...........20w50.....605....962 .......786 ....................SM 03/07 SYN
Valvoline VR1...................20w50....1085....1293 ...17 ..........2242 ....................SL 11/05 DINO
Valvoline VR-1 NSL............20w50....835......976.....10 ..........819 ..........SL 03/07 DINO
Valvoline VR-1 NSL ...........20w50....842..... 962.....11 ..........838 ..........SL 03/07 SYN
__________________________________________________ ___________
Bardahl No Leak/Smoke ............. 53.......4 .......0 ..........11/05 O/A
Boron Motor Silk........................116.....0 ............05/06 O/A
CD-2 Maxx Detergent.................1........7 ........2416.......... 11/05 O/A
CMW Racing Concentrate............2292...1147 ....358 ..........06/06 O/A
GM Cam Lifter Prelube ................5710 ..5876 ....29004.......... 01/07 O/A
GM EOS Assembly Lube ..............5762 ..6221 ....8265 ..........01/07 O/A
Lucas Oil Stabilizer ....................36 .....13 ........0 ..........01/07 O/A
Power Service Oil Extender .........3567...4945 .....6394 ..........11/05 O/A
Schaeffer Micron Moly................110 ....5...........0 ..........08/06 O/A
STP Blue .................................1704 ..2436 .....88 ..........11/05 O/A
STP Red...................................2115 ..3932 .....901 ..........11/05 O/A
Valvoline Max Life Protect............537 ...768........22.......... 3871 11/05 O/A
Valvoline Synpower ...................356.....551........650.......... 11/05 O/A

 

[Dreamcar86]

Bob Is The Oil Guy: Viewing list of forums

Interesting forum. I was not familiar with this one before you posted it. Thanks for the information.

 

[RobG]

Murray's

I've seen Amsoil at every Murray's I've been to.
Store Locator at PartsAmerica.com

i see amsoil passes all tests. now i got to find the oil in the chicagoland area.... i find wharehouses but i have to see if they sell to the public. parts stores around me don't sell amsoil and jegs and summit dont either. the gm dealers around me are out of eos so i will make calls tommarow and see where i can find amsoil....

 

[Brer Rabbit]

Thank you gentleman.

This was interesting reading and the best part was I got the answers I was looking for. I should have stocked up on EOS when I had the chance.

 

[aminga]

EOS is still available under a Delco part #.

Of interest to me is Mobil 1 "high Mileage", I haven't seen an analysis of this yet but I saw it in the local wally world. Of interest is it's SL rating. It seems like SM is where most motor lost their way so an SL rating should theortically be better.

 

[Dreamcar86]

This was interesting reading and the best part was I got the answers I was looking for. I should have stocked up on EOS when I had the chance.

Out of curiosity what conclusion did you come up with?

 

[chopped39]

i see amsoil passes all tests. now i got to find the oil in the chicagoland area.... i find wharehouses but i have to see if they sell to the public. parts stores around me don't sell amsoil and jegs and summit dont either. the gm dealers around me are out of eos so i will make calls tommarow and see where i can find amsoil....

napa in villa park sells it. call ron 630-758-0800.deal with him every day . hope this helps