That's awesome, some actual #s. I'm surprised it made over 300hp with the stock turbo, mine blew up twice when I was running 105-106mph traps. It looks like the propane added quite a bit of hp without raising the boost much, I figured all the power gains would come from raising the boost. I'm not surprised, however, the IC gave more power. It would be nice to see what both would do with a larger turbo.
spearco intercooler vs. conley perfomrance or other??
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i run 20-21 psi with 18º of timing on pump 92.i run 25 psi with alky.that 12.5 was at 24º and ~25 psi(race gas).
i attribute a lot of the way my car idles/responds/runs to the 16 position maxeffort chip.the tuneability is amazing and you can really get a car dialed in if you know how to use it.
no offense,but dyno #'s don't impress me.take it to the track.the dyno is a nice tuning tool,but the track's where the proof is at.you could probably beat 600rwp supras at the track with your wrx...
i attribute a lot of the way my car idles/responds/runs to the 16 position maxeffort chip.the tuneability is amazing and you can really get a car dialed in if you know how to use it.
no offense,but dyno #'s don't impress me.take it to the track.the dyno is a nice tuning tool,but the track's where the proof is at.you could probably beat 600rwp supras at the track with your wrx...
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wow....i was just asking a simple question.,...anyhows....thanks for the help...i think i'm goin to go with the propane setup and probably the importpower one, its half the price of the JC kit....oh and stop fighting in my thread
TTYPE 84...thats a nice ass car....**** im payin 5300 for my car (84 GN) and u did all that **** for 5k includin original purchase cost?? was it one of them "bought off an old lady b/c her husband died" catch of a lifetime type finds or what?
TTYPE 84...thats a nice ass car....**** im payin 5300 for my car (84 GN) and u did all that **** for 5k includin original purchase cost?? was it one of them "bought off an old lady b/c her husband died" catch of a lifetime type finds or what?
I will call over to the shop and see if anyone wrote down all the specs. we were mostly curiuos as the effects of the changes more so than the exact starting base line. I know it had a hooker exhaust w/ 3 1/2 cat, a 2 1/2 dp, the 93 chip, stock headers, decent built 200 w 2800 converter. 3.42 auburn posi. I think he had #28 injectors. I am old so I have to make sure I am not think of anotherof the 100 cars we've played with when spouting mods. hehhe but I think thats close.
thanks for the info slo87gn
more facts that prove this wont be difficult at all.
oh sean, so, wait, let me get this straight, the 12.5 was at 25psi with alky AND race gas?
did i mention my 13.6 was at 17psi with ~95 octane?
did i?
yea no wonder your car has "never run that slow".. do you ever take it to the track in street trim? what is street trim for you anyway?
my car doesnt have a "RACE" trim.. well, lets see, i upped the boost to 17psi and put in 2 gallons of 110 into half a tank of 93, i guess that was "race" trim at the time for my stock car with a chip and a cracked open downpipe. i wonder what it would have done with 25psi alky and race gas
man im excited now!
more facts that prove this wont be difficult at all.
oh sean, so, wait, let me get this straight, the 12.5 was at 25psi with alky AND race gas?
did i mention my 13.6 was at 17psi with ~95 octane?
did i?
yea no wonder your car has "never run that slow".. do you ever take it to the track in street trim? what is street trim for you anyway?
my car doesnt have a "RACE" trim.. well, lets see, i upped the boost to 17psi and put in 2 gallons of 110 into half a tank of 93, i guess that was "race" trim at the time for my stock car with a chip and a cracked open downpipe. i wonder what it would have done with 25psi alky and race gas
man im excited now!
oh and fireberd, we were given the car because it was in such rough shape.. lemme show you a few pics
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/restoration.html
at the bottom you'll see these pics:
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/sanded/driverside.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/sanded/trunk.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/sanded/front.jpg
actually check out the cardomain site i have
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=244948&page=2
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/restoration.html
at the bottom you'll see these pics:
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/sanded/driverside.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/sanded/trunk.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~nbx23/project84/sanded/front.jpg
actually check out the cardomain site i have
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=244948&page=2
pump gas/c16 mix.no alky.don't need it with race gas,i've got an intercooler.
my 1st pass was 19 psi,street timing,no alky,just how i drove it in.i had just dumped in some race gas and i wanted to make sure it was all mixed up before i started turning up the wick.it was a 13.07@103,1.83 60'.
if you read my post above you'll see my street trim vs. race trim.
and you're a second and 10 mph slower than those who do.what's you're point?
I think this is pointless. My car went 12.9@ 110mph on 13psi and a plugged cat and 18 degrees of timing with a 2.3 60' with my old very mild combo. WFO's car has gone faster than mine and even though it was at a higher boost his has still gone faster at the track. Let's just stick to the #s.
T-Type84, if you go faster with just the propane I will be the first to congradulate you, regardless of your boost level
. Regardless, just from the dyno data I think I will be buying a propane kit when money permits.
T-Type84, if you go faster with just the propane I will be the first to congradulate you, regardless of your boost level
. Regardless, just from the dyno data I think I will be buying a propane kit when money permits.yep, im done with this thread for now. fireberd, if you wanna know anything about restoring a TR, let me know, most likely ive been there. if you wanna know how the propane goes, lemme know, ill have it saturday night.
the numbers dont lie, and WFO reminds me of all those kids disbelieving the RJC Power plate because they think "it looks restrictive" even though there is proof that it's not.
once i get the propane on, the turbo on, and the injectors on ill let you guys know how it runs seat of the pants.. if it stops raning long enough and i get some slicks to borrow, ill take it to the local 8th mile.
the numbers dont lie, and WFO reminds me of all those kids disbelieving the RJC Power plate because they think "it looks restrictive" even though there is proof that it's not.
once i get the propane on, the turbo on, and the injectors on ill let you guys know how it runs seat of the pants.. if it stops raning long enough and i get some slicks to borrow, ill take it to the local 8th mile.
what numbers?you got no timeslips,only guesses.
i never said propane doesn't work.i run alky and it's the same idea.but it's not a substitute for an intercooler. that's all i ever said in the first place,then you came off whining about your paint/money/stock sh!t like a little bitch with a skinned knee...
this thread is done until you've got some timeslips.
spearco is a good kit , i liked mine and ran a 12.65@108.5 at 21psi -never tuned the car . This was with the intercooler and a ta33 turbo stock headers and every thing. I think i'll leave the propane tank on the grill 
what ever way you go just have fun with it.
i kinda like the v2 and power stroke my self.
what ever way you go just have fun with it. i kinda like the v2 and power stroke my self.
Geeze how is this for a time slip!
87 GN Stock 231 with new rings and bearings my own port job.
the baby 107 cam from Postons, TE44C 3" DP Hooker 3" to 2 1/2"
duals, Cat cut out pipe, Ram Air, Dutwieler Neck on Stcok IC, JC 93 chip, TPS Voltage switch, 12 volt fuel pump wiring, Red's Fuel Pump, 36# injectors, 23 PSI, 93 oct fuel with VP octane booster, ET streets, 3:42 Locker, Th200, 3200 art carr lockup, 3527 lbs w/o driver, JC Propain kit with a 76 jet. 11.07@121!
With out the propain I could not run but 18 psi on the octane booster. It Ran 11.66@118.76.
I try not to brag on my own s*** but you so F**n hung up on time slips I have to post this. When you can run as fast as me with the baby type upgrades I used then you can take s*** to people. But jeeze shut the F*** up!
You don't even want to go there in my fast cars. And yes I build and tune all my stuff. No one touches it but me.
I have a hole bunch of other little tricks I use when putting the motor back together, like centrifical mass reduction tricks I use that are not listed. If you want that kinda info you gotta pay for it. I learned it all the hard way. hehe any good engine builder will tell you, you can gain anywhere from 15 - 35 hp or more and simular in torque by doing the right cleaning/smooting and balancing of parts of the motor.
I tried to be nice and just give some info we found out and then you tried to get me to look stupid with the combo but just because you can't get that much out of a motor doesn't mean it can't happen. I've been tuning rods for over 20 years for, with and against some of the best builders, tuners, and racers and I get tired of ***ss that want to question s*** that they think isn't possible. There are things to consider like altitude at which people run a car etc... I was mainly showing how much and were the differences were. for the test on a hot air car we were adding both upgrades to.
And like I said you miss understood what TType84 was trying to say. Be a man and let it go.
87 GN Stock 231 with new rings and bearings my own port job.
the baby 107 cam from Postons, TE44C 3" DP Hooker 3" to 2 1/2"
duals, Cat cut out pipe, Ram Air, Dutwieler Neck on Stcok IC, JC 93 chip, TPS Voltage switch, 12 volt fuel pump wiring, Red's Fuel Pump, 36# injectors, 23 PSI, 93 oct fuel with VP octane booster, ET streets, 3:42 Locker, Th200, 3200 art carr lockup, 3527 lbs w/o driver, JC Propain kit with a 76 jet. 11.07@121!
With out the propain I could not run but 18 psi on the octane booster. It Ran 11.66@118.76.
I try not to brag on my own s*** but you so F**n hung up on time slips I have to post this. When you can run as fast as me with the baby type upgrades I used then you can take s*** to people. But jeeze shut the F*** up!
You don't even want to go there in my fast cars. And yes I build and tune all my stuff. No one touches it but me.
I have a hole bunch of other little tricks I use when putting the motor back together, like centrifical mass reduction tricks I use that are not listed. If you want that kinda info you gotta pay for it. I learned it all the hard way. hehe any good engine builder will tell you, you can gain anywhere from 15 - 35 hp or more and simular in torque by doing the right cleaning/smooting and balancing of parts of the motor.
I tried to be nice and just give some info we found out and then you tried to get me to look stupid with the combo but just because you can't get that much out of a motor doesn't mean it can't happen. I've been tuning rods for over 20 years for, with and against some of the best builders, tuners, and racers and I get tired of ***ss that want to question s*** that they think isn't possible. There are things to consider like altitude at which people run a car etc... I was mainly showing how much and were the differences were. for the test on a hot air car we were adding both upgrades to.
And like I said you miss understood what TType84 was trying to say. Be a man and let it go.
stop right there.take your 4 posts and pack em in your ass.til you get a hotair to do anything but spin a dyno shut your fvckin piehole.
who was talkin to you in the first place douchebag?what,are we playing "battle of my buddie's fast 87 gn" now?as i'm sure you know,an 11 second 87 gn ain't sh!t .if we're dragging our friends in(as nick has obviously done)i guess i could call geno.what the fvck would that prove?
you can share little nicky's cookie
like i said,run a 9 second stock block,or a mid-10 hotair and i'll be impressed.til then,sit on it potsie.well gee,barn,let's see here...little nicky pops off(again)about sh!t that he knows nothing about.he's losing the argument against someone(several people actually)with real hands on knowledge,and suddenly out of the blue comes the ghost of grumpy jenkins and wouldn't you know his first post is on the hotair forum backing up everything little nicky was babbling incessantly about.oh,and he just happens to be from texas too.
pardon me if i doubt your credibility just a little .there are a few people in this forum who have actually done something noteworthy with a hotair(lee thompson,turbo6x2).you are not one of them.shut your friggin cakehole until you do.
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