still unsure...help me choose turbo 6031 or 6076

[Tom Tom Turbo]

Guys I need to make a decision on a turbo really soon, but I'm on the fence between the 6031 and 6076. I know in my heart I should be looking for a BB turbo, but I really can't spend the $$ on one right now. Which of these would be better for me? The car is mostly a street car, with maybe 8-10 track visits per year. I like to run around 25 psi with alky and I have a 3200 Vigilante converter.

any help is appreciated!

 

[Not Avg 6]

You would be really satisfied with a billet wheel PTE 6265 journal bearing. I got one on a stock long block with a Vig 3200 trans from Jimmy's, spool up is great and pulls hard.With you having a built motor it will be no problem. Great turbo and a good price. With your combo listed you will have a 10 sec. car, 25-26 psi on alky with a good tune.

 

[RUQWKNF]

Is this for the car in your sig?

The main difference between those two turbos (6031 and 6076) are turbine wheel. T-31 stage 3 for the 6031 and P-trim for the 6076.

Question.
Your Vigilantie converter, does it flash stall to 3200 or do you have to push hard on the foot brake to get 3200?
If it will jump to 3200 from a flat foot punch, the it's enough to spool up a 6076 decently. If it's slow to come up to 3200 on a foot brake, you will have lag trying to spool a 6076.

I took a 6031 dbb turbo to a best of 11.72's @ 114 on a stock 93k mile motor with only these parts: New valve springs, double roller timing chain, RJC power plate, good fuel system, stock location PTE intercooler, 3" THDP and 2.5" dual exhaust. I was running 26-27psi of boost, C-16 and launching off the E-brake. The car had a 10" 3000 stall Pats l/u converter.
If you want low 12's - high 11's the 6031 will do that all day long with 25psi and supporting mods. The 6076 will free up some back pressure at higher boost levels, but it will need more stall to get it moving/spooled up.

Honestly, I think you would have more fun with the 6031. (aka TE60)
New models tho, would be a toss up between a 6262 and a 6265.
Hope this helps.

Patrick

 

[Tom Tom Turbo]

Is this for the car in your sig?

The main difference between those two turbos (6031 and 6076) are turbine wheel. T-31 stage 3 for the 6031 and P-trim for the 6076.

Question.
Your Vigilantie converter, does it flash stall to 3200 or do you have to push hard on the foot brake to get 3200?
If it will jump to 3200 from a flat foot punch, the it's enough to spool up a 6076 decently. If it's slow to come up to 3200 on a foot brake, you will have lag trying to spool a 6076.

I took a 6031 dbb turbo to a best of 11.72's @ 114 on a stock 93k mile motor with only these parts: New valve springs, double roller timing chain, RJC power plate, good fuel system, stock location PTE intercooler, 3" THDP and 2.5" dual exhaust. I was running 26-27psi of boost, C-16 and launching off the E-brake. The car had a 10" 3000 stall Pats l/u converter.
If you want low 12's - high 11's the 6031 will do that all day long with 25psi and supporting mods. The 6076 will free up some back pressure at higher boost levels, but it will need more stall to get it moving/spooled up.

Honestly, I think you would have more fun with the 6031. (aka TE60)
New models tho, would be a toss up between a 6262 and a 6265.
Hope this helps.

Patrick

it does not flash stall to 3200, I have to stand on it quite a bit to get it over2800 or so, but then again, my rear brakes are junk and have been for awhile, so I don't know how much that plays into it. I was leaning toward the 6031 anyway, but Gbodyparts told me that the 6067 would be better for my setup. While I don't NOT trust them, I figure someone that actually makes/designs the turbos would have more knowledge about them.

 

[RUQWKNF]

With a converter that tight, you would experience quiet a bit of lag with a 6076 turbo. With you describing how hard it is to get the rpms up to 2800, even with bad brakes, it's not enough converter to foot brake any turbo equipped with a 76 P-trim turbine wheel. Simply put, that turbine wheel needs more stall, or else a good PTC converter. If you don't want to change converters, then I'd spec a 6031 with the .63 A/R turbine housing. If those two models were my only options.
Just my O2's worth.

Patrick

 

[GNVYUS 1]

If you're going to buy a new turbo why bother with the older wheels?

There is a MASSIVE difference between a 62/62 and a 60/31 or /76, not even close power wise. The billet 58/57 will not only spool at least the same but make more power, I'd recommend going that route and enjoying the best of both worlds.

 

[street6]

Patrick,

So what is the stall speed comparison between a journal 6031 (te60) and the billet 6262 (journal bearing)? Are they similar or does the billet 6262 (journal) require more stall like the journal 6076?

(for comparison sake all with A/R .63 turbine housing)

 

[RUQWKNF]

Patrick,

So what is the stall speed comparison between a journal 6031 (te60) and the billet 6262 (journal bearing)? Are they similar or does the billet 6262 (journal) require more stall like the journal 6076?

(for comparison sake all with A/R .63 turbine housing)

6031 uses the T-31 "Stage 3" turbine wheel. That wheel, typically liked 2800-3000 stall speeds to get moving.

The new billet 6262 uses a slightly larger 62mm exducer turbine wheel. So it would need slightly more stall to get it moving in journal bearing form. Now if you went from a journal bearing TE-60 to a DBB Billet 6262, I doubt you would need to touch the converter at all, if you had a 3000 already. The 6262 journal version would have a smaller turbine wheel than a 6076.
HTH

Patrick

 

[vacuum 6]

When I had a TE60 on my stock engine this made a BIG difference. I have a 2800 12".

 

[wickedtt]

6031 uses the T-31 "Stage 3" turbine wheel. That wheel, typically liked 2800-3000 stall speeds to get moving.

The new billet 6262 uses a slightly larger 62mm exducer turbine wheel. So it would need slightly more stall to get it moving in journal bearing form. Now if you went from a journal bearing TE-60 to a DBB Billet 6262, I doubt you would need to touch the converter at all, if you had a 3000 already. The 6262 journal version would have a smaller turbine wheel than a 6076.
HTH

Patrick

Isn't the 6076 the same as the old school TE62 with a P trim using the same wheels?

 

[RUQWKNF]

Isn't the 6076 the same as the old school TE62 with a P trim using the same wheels?

Nope.
The TE62 used an older T series 62mm compressor wheel and P-trim turbine wheel, where as the 6076 turbo, uses the 60-1 compressor wheel and P-trim turbine wheel. There was about a 55 hp difference between these two models. (TE62 = roughly 635, 6076 = roughly 580)

Patrick

 

[Mr.Spool]

tomtomturbo,am i reading your sig correctly?are you running a pt54?i would think on a built motor your combo can support a bigger wheel.

 

[Tom Tom Turbo]

yes, I WAS running a PT54 just to break the motor in, however, due to the chinese high volume front cover failing, the turbo took in some gasket maker or something and is smoking, therefore, it will be replaced. It just happened to be what I had available to break in the motor. I would like to go with something larger, but I'm still on the fence as to what is idea for my combo.