You can type here any text you want

Tranny troubles only when hot

  • Thread starter Thread starter brhk1
  • Start date Start date

Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!
B

brhk1

Guest
Hello,

This is my first time using a message board so please excuse that I may not know the lingo etc!

I have a 1987 GN which I have owned since new. I store it every winter and drive it only on sunny days etc; as such it has only 41,000 km on it (yes I live in Canada!) or about 25,000 mi.

Last year my tranny started acting up, or at least I thought it was the tranny. It works fine when the car is cold but when it heats up (driving ~ 20 minutes on a good warm day) it starts lurching when you slow down. It appears to be stuck in a higher gear than it should be, shifting into the next lower gear at a much lower speed than it should. As you get down into 1st gear it lurches, acting as if the tranny is directly coupled to the engine and the engine now lurches in the low rpm range as you would expect with no slippage in the tranny or torque converter. Eventually as you come to a stop it disengages and the engine idles normally.

If you are in 2nd or 3rd gear and accellerate quite hard, the tranny will not downshift as it normally would unless you pin the throttle, at which point it shifts down into the next lower gear with a sharp bang, much sharper than it was prior to this problem. Again, these problems only occur when the engine and tranny are hot.

A friend owns an engine rebuild shop and I had him pull the tranny, which I took to a GM driveline specialty shop run by a guy who worked as a GM tranny man for 13 years. When I described the problem to him he came across as very knowlegable and appeared to know my tranny inside-out. He felt that it was likely just gummed up from lack of use and deteriorated seals etc. They pulled the unit apart and changed all the seals in the tranny and valve body, but didn't really find any noticeable problem. While the tranny was out we decided to have the torque converter rebuilt as well.

One last item - before we pulled the tranny we disconnected the wiring on the lock-up torque converter and it appeared to make a small difference but did not solve the problem. It was almost like the problem was simply magnified with the lock-up function engaged.

The car is now back together and you guessed it, the problem continues - absolutely no change. You can imagine how frustrated I am...

Can anyone give me some advice on what the problem might be and what next steps I should take? Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thank you!
 
That's a well written post.

I hate that you went to all that trouble and expense with no results. In my opinion, the TCC solenoid is the culprit here. I know you disconnected the wiring to it and the problem persisted but this is why.

The TCC solenoid is an electromechanical device. The solenoid, when energized, closes off a normally-open oil path from the TCC valve in the pump. Even if the solenoid is functioning properly in regards to the electronic portion of it, they often fail mechanincally. Disconnecting the wires won't bypass a mechanical malfunction.

The little valve in the solenoids develop a tendency to stick, blocking the flow of oil when you don't want it to. That causes the converter clutch to apply at the wrong times. Yours is probably sticking as well. For some reason age seems as much to blame here as mileage. I replaced one last year in an 8000-mile GNX that went sour.

The other clue you provided that reinforces my opinion here is the fact that you stated the problem clears up as the car comes to a stop. That is because when the transmission downshifts from second to first, the hydraulic signal to the TCC valve/solenoid goes away by design. Then the TCC releases on its own.

The solenoid is inexpensive and easy to replace with the transmission in the car so you should be fixed up in no time. :)
 
Thank you very much Greg! I will replace the solenoid and let you know if that cures the problem. It will likely be a few days before I can get to this so please check back later as I will definitely give you an update.

Much appreciated!

Brett:)
 
keep me posted

Brett, please post the outcome, i,m having the same problem on my 39k mile gn. I did replace the tcc solenoid and while they had the pan down i had an art carr shift kit installed drove the car straight home so i didn't have a chance to let it get hot. I took the car out yesterday problem still there and now i have a flared 2-3 shift.

thanks
 
I believe Greg is right....

for the reasons he said plus another clue would be that it is when it warms up, not necessarily that it gets hot, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the T/C l/u designed to work after it reaches operating temp? Either way it is about a $15 item and a quick way to eliminate it as a ? too bad they didn't think of that at the shop the first time:(
 
Greg & Mark were right!

You guys nailed it with the TCC. Changed it and problem solved! I sure wish I had discovered this site and your knowlege before spending all that dough...

Thanks again for the help gents.

Brett:)
 
Back
Top