Ttype84 Were Have You Gone!!!!

[boostmaster]

TTYPE84 have not seen any posts from you in a while, I was following your progress up until you got the propane and then you just dissappeared. I hate to say it but many of the regulars have fallen to the way side. I think mainly because of the dissappoinment of they're cars performance. You can see from many of they're posts the flame slowly dieing as the performance level slowly hits a wall. None the less I would like to know who's still around and what's going on with your cars.

 

[cool 84]

I know what you mean. But as for me, I've always been impressed with how my car has run with the mods done to it. I think it's in the tuning and some of the hotair guys don't take the time to tune. Hell, even at super low boost, pump gas, and major problems I had enough mph for 11s. I have more motivation than ever, especially with people calling me a liar, and even though it sounds cocky I will run in the 10s and 11s on straight 91 octane, no alky.

 

[1QUICK85]

I am always on here.......I have a misterous leak or somthing......cause I cant get over 10# of boost.......must be a leak only when the boost comes on. Anyways.......I have seen this section slow down too latly. Sucks I love the fact that there is all these guys on this board who got the hotairs and are modding them. I believe ya cool 84.............I really want to see what your car and turbowrenchead's car are going to run!!!

Nick

 

[6SENSE]

Always seems to slow down a bit at certain times during the year. I always noticed it to sort of follow the race season. People start getting hyped when there is a buzz about racing and how fast there car went or will go. Ive noticed a bit of a drop off in the general section at certain times in the past aswell, just not as bad, but isnt that to be expected? There were tons more '87s than any other made, plus it is the "general" tech section, so that means everyone frequents there (gonna be more traffic there anyway). Also, weve had some prominent guys temporarily (I hope) fall off to the wayside due to unforseen problems. This takes more of an affect on an already exclusive group like us hotair guys . Dont fret, if more guys try to get some stuff done to their rides during the off season instead of waiting till the buzz is in the air (blame it on human nature ), Im sure there will be all kinds of posts and questions on here. Although there is the other issue youve got to take into account : weather. I know Im not the only one that would rather not drive his TR in the snow .

 

[jacksorroche]

Although I am still pretty new to the Hot Air section, I cannot help but say that these cars are much harder to work on than the 86/87's. In my opinion, much more work has to be done for smaller rewards. However, I still love my 84 Ttype. I am still out there four times a week trying to find out why it will run so rough and stall repeatedly before it warms up. No matter how small the reward, like I said, I love this car. It's addicting like no other drug. By the way, when I was talking to the tech guy at Kirban Performance, he said that there were only about 200 of the 84/85 Hot Airs left. If that is true, we are very exclusive.

 

[Bat]

Now's the time

Well for most of you the season is winding down but, around here it's just getting to the point you can stand to go out and do things. I live close to New Orleans and the humidity around here keeps things sweaty. Now I can work on the car and not wash it at the same time. We have to wait until late Dec to get close to freezing and if we see snow the city shuts down. The track is open I think until late Nov or early Dec and opens in March if they close at all. I'll get to find out by the end of this year as my car is close to hitting the street ( drove it up and dow the street last night ) after only 5 years of weekend work. I don't know about the 200 cars left but I still have mine.

 

[1QUICK85]

200 cars left I am not so sure about that........seems kinda of low..........but hey that is cool if it is.........I know of one more in my little town of 16,000 peps. A all stock '85 GN with exhaust.

I will have to put my car away soon and it may not even be running right when I do............runs fine just no more then 10# of boost.............I wish I lived in a warmer climate but oh well.....I love Wisconsin

We are a exclusive group for sure!!

I got a question...........How many of you guys are going to put collector plates on your ride when they are old enough(20 years)?

Later Nick

 

[WFO]

Originally posted by cool 84
and even though it sounds cocky I will run in the 10s and 11s on straight 91 octane, no alky.

puh-leeezzzeee...so you're gonna go 9's in race trim?cuz that's the kinda power it takes to go 10's on pump gas....

sorry to burst your bubble,but i'm gonna say that's never,ever gonna happen.gene fleury went 10.7X's on pump gas with a dialed to the nuts stage motor car and his car would go prolly a 9.7XX if he really cranked it up.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98282

the problem with the hotair guys seems to be exactly that,too much "hot air". a whole lotta big talk and not much wrenching and racing...

btw,now that it's cooled down a bit i'll be taking the gn to the track with some new parts installed...should be interesting...

 

[6SENSE]

Originally posted by WFO
the problem with the hotair guys seems to be exactly that,too much "hot air". a whole lotta big talk and not much wrenching and racing...

btw,now that it's cooled down a bit i'll be taking the gn to the track with some new parts installed...should be interesting...

Keep us posted. The cool air is definately a plus.
Im looking forward to the last few chances at the track in the cooler air myself. Finally overcame a few obsticles this year to start to see some gains. Temps were in the 80's with my pass in the sig, still not dialed in to the max (840-860 O2s w/ 0 kr). So hopefully I might be able to get a little further with it before the years up, especially if I can get the 60fts down (maybe I need to up the stall). Im going to revamp my DIY alky in the next day or so, adding Razor's PAC. Hmmm....imagine no bog at all, just plain moving out . Should be interesting, like you said.
Oh yeah, only hotair around here is under the hood of my TR , and thats what I'll rely on to do the talking . Ive still got some goals set to achieve before/if I start to think intercooler.

 

[cool 84]

Originally posted by WFO
puh-leeezzzeee...so you're gonna go 9's in race trim?cuz that's the kinda power it takes to go 10's on pump gas....

sorry to burst your bubble,but i'm gonna say that's never,ever gonna happen.gene fleury went 10.7X's on pump gas with a dialed to the nuts stage motor car and his car would go prolly a 9.7XX if he really cranked it up.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98282

the problem with the hotair guys seems to be exactly that,too much "hot air". a whole lotta big talk and not much wrenching and racing...

btw,now that it's cooled down a bit i'll be taking the gn to the track with some new parts installed...should be interesting...

So much for reading comprehension lol. I said I would go 11s on straight pump gas and 10s on race. I don't see why not. If I went 110mph on 13psi (89 octane tune) with the old iron head, smaller turbo, smaller intercooler, smaller cam, smaller motor, less compression combo I had before, I don't see a reason I couldn't run a little better this time around. I've run the numbers already with a boost handicap and went faster than most of the guys on here 4 years ago. It stands to reason that with much, much better parts and some real boost, my car might just pick up the extra 1-2 mph needed for 11s, you think?. Maybe it's just hotair but it sounds pretty logical to me.

Again, I would appreciate it if you would stop attacking me because you can't figure out why you're car traps 5mph less than my old combo even though you ran with more boost. Figure out your own problems and stop attacking people just because they ran faster.

As for a fully built stage motor, I don't know what you're talking about and could care less. There's a big difference in 10s and 11s especially when talking pump gas. So he has a stageII that runs 10s on pump. Great! As of right now you're speculating on what his car could run on race gas. You don't know how out of tune it was on pump gas when it went 10.7 and on top of that the stage motors pick up much more power per psi of boost so maybe that 9.7 you guessed was a little pessimistic. My dad just made 476rwhp on 10psi with his stage motor do I get a cookie?

 

[cool 84]

I've got an idea, lets run our cars at the track, this time I get a whole 16psi. You run your choice of gas and boost and see if you can get within 5mph of me. You might want to take a look in the nitrous tech area, it's your only shot. Better yet, let's run heads up only I'll run the car on the temporary stock longblock. It could be close.

 

[WFO]

last time i checked you have to have a running car to run at the track....how many years has it been since you've had one?it's amazing how you can be such an expert tuner with a car that's been a pile of parts for years .

speaking of reading comprehension,read the post i listed,genius.

 

[cool 84]

That's funny, when was your last outing to the track? Yeah, I went 4 years ago with roughly the same combo you have, went 4mph quicker with less boost. Maybe I am a tuning genius lol. If you would like a lesson on tuning, let me know. I'll have my pile of parts running soon enough. What's your excuse going to be then?

 

[WFO]

my times are from last summer.been too hot to bother til recently.

when you run something other than your mouth,be sure to let us know .

 

[WFO]

Originally posted by cool 84
Maybe I am a tuning genius lol. If you would like a lesson on tuning, let me know.

this is amusing coming from a guy who couldn't get his car to idle or spool with a spearco.yeah,you're a real rocket scientist alright...

 

[Buick From Hell]

Hell, I'd actually maybe almost be kinda sorta inclined to do some moderating about now if wasn't for:

A- I'd just be moderating a moderator,

B- moderators can't actually moderate anyway, and

C- I find it strangely amusing... (until it starts sounding like a Louie vs Nick mudwrastle)

 

[cool 84]

Originally posted by WFO
this is amusing coming from a guy who couldn't get his car to idle or spool with a spearco.yeah,you're a real rocket scientist alright...

Do you enjoy going on half facts? My car wouldn't idle with the big turbo and Spearco nor would it spool. You got that part right. Didn't have the luxury of the Max Effort back then. But you left out the part where I figured out the reason for the problem on my own, this was before people were relocating the TB. I put it on the pressure side and had better than stock throttle response. Both problems solved and more power to boot. Not rocket science, just common sense. Who knows maybe this is why your car is so much slower. If you think your car has good throttle response right now with the TB 10' away from the motor, you're fooling yourself. Maybe you bandaided it with the Max Effort but it won't hold a candle to my car.

I don't know why it matters if my car has been down. Yep, it's been almost two years. But I bought the damn thing in 95, I've run 4 different turbos, 5 different cams, ported and unported heads, intercooled and non intercooled, methanol injection, plus all the other parts that are on it. I think I'm qualified to give advise on stuff I've already run.

It beat the hell out of your brother's 86/87 heads/cam/turbo/every mod under the sun car. Nothing against Cliff, but maybe he can back me up here. Until you can run my pumpgas mph (which sucks) on racegas, I don't want to hear anything else.

 

[WFO]

Originally posted by cool 84
It beat the hell out of your brother's 86/87 heads/cam/turbo/every mod under the sun car. Nothing against Cliff, but maybe he can back me up here.

i had nothing to do with that car's performance.i built and installed the shortblock cuz my dad asked me to.then i came over and set the cam and crank sensors.it fired up and i left...if you want to know why it ran the way it did ask your boy jason dale...

the only problem i've ever really had with you is your bullsh!t "110 mph on 13 psi" claim.i'm not saying you didn't run 110.hell,with ported heads/intake/cam i would sure as hell hope so.but the 13 psi part is bullsh!t pure and simple.if you would tell the whole story(that you had full boost for most of the run)i wouldn't get so sick of hearing it...

btw,my car idled and spooled pretty good on the mm chip i got with my injectors.way better than it ever did stock(especially the idle).now add the open loop idle of the maxeffort and it's like a sewing machine...

 

[cool 84]

Originally posted by WFO
i had nothing to do with that car's performance.i built and installed the shortblock cuz my dad asked me to.then i came over and set the cam and crank sensors.it fired up and i left...if you want to know why it ran the way it did ask your boy jason dale...

the only problem i've ever really had with you is your bullsh!t "110 mph on 13 psi" claim.i'm not saying you didn't run 110.hell,with ported heads/intake/cam i would sure as hell hope so.but the 13 psi part is bullsh!t pure and simple.if you would tell the whole story(that you had full boost for most of the run)i wouldn't get so sick of hearing it...

btw,my car idled and spooled pretty good on the mm chip i got with my injectors.way better than it ever did stock(especially the idle).now add the open loop idle of the maxeffort and it's like a sewing machine...

I've said this too many times. The boost did go to 18psi but I backed out no less than 4 times due to it having a peg leg and street tires. By the time third came around and I could floor it, it held 18psi for about 2 seconds and fell to 13psi and through the traps somewhere around 8psi. It was at 13psi for the majority of the run. It was at 8psi for as long as it was at 18. It was a completely screwed up run from both a power and a traction standpoint. How it hit the 12s, I don't know but I think you're underestimating how the car ran when tuned. I've already posted a video of me vs an 11.70 Mustang like 3 years ago. Me on street tire, him on slicks. And again, all it takes is a stroll over to our local message board and ask what I've done to the local Vipers.

As for you brother's car it ran good until it ate the compressor wheel. And ran great again until it ate my TA64 that I let Jason borrow lol. Did he ever get his car or part of his car back? While me and Jason are on talking terms now that he's out of jail, I wouldn't call him my boy. I helped eveyone I could get as much of their stuff back including your brother. When I saw what he was doing with the money people were handing to him I completely cut him off. Funny how him and Schmucker saw the same fate for the same thing and even worked together for a while.

Last but not least, I guarantee if you moved your TB you would be surprised. I don't know what size turbo you're running but when I went bigger than the 49 I had major problems. With the stocker it was alright.

 

[WFO]

my brothers car is back up here at my mom's house.it's basically a rolling shell.i've been amassing parts needed to put it back together.

i have no doubt that the tb on the intake side is a restriction,if you remember i was one of the people who said moving it is a good idea.hell,i would get rid of my maf as well if i had the $$ for the me-r...but my car runs and idles fine for now...i eventually want to go with a larger intercooler/pipes and i'll mess with the tb then...

fwiw,i'm running a ta-60...that's actually the main reason i want to move the tb,so i can run te series turbos.i'd like to eventually up my stall to 3500 and run a te45a.