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Weenie X-ray won't get out of it's own way, but that is going to chang very shortly. Working on the game plan now.

And This Game Plan Is?????

 

[nordy racer]

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You are correct, Mike, It's time to do some more on it. I am not going to settle for 300 puny horses. I am putting together a game plan now.

very cool.. you don't need to do anything crazy but just a little something would be good..

 

[231x20psi=462ci]

So what happen at fontoky, did you get to make a pass at the 1/4, what MPH and Numbers did you run?

 

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So what happen at fontoky, did you get to make a pass at the 1/4, what MPH and Numbers did you run?

Sucked! Track was like gum 10.50@127mph running out of gear 100ft before lights and a hot 93. Jeff also ran 4 tenths slower.

 

[Chevota]

Sucked! Track was like gum 10.50@127mph running out of gear 100ft before lights and a hot 93. Jeff also ran 4 tenths slower.

You didn't expect that with 3.73's? Cam's not big enuf huh? Go back to 3.42's or even better 3.27's and see the difference! I shift at 5,000 and go thru at 6400.

 

[graza002]

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Weenie X-ray won't get out of it's own way, but that is going to chang very shortly. Working on the game plan now.

Twin turbo...lol.

 

[turbolou]

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You didn't expect that with 3.73's? Cam's not big enuf huh? Go back to 3.42's or even better 3.27's and see the difference! I shift at 5,000 and go thru at 6400.

Making at least 700 H.P. what could be wrong with the cam? This is where people blow it. These production motors with small head ports are maxed at about 5800. Changing the gears is the most logical course. but the biggest obstacle hasn't anything to do with the car.I'ts trying to find a racer with both feet on the ground & some common sense. Going out to Fontana & beating the sh""t out of the car in 93 degree heat & not listening to your mechanic with 45 years of experience is a great example. Listening to idiots Is another.

 

[VadersV6]

Making at least 700 H.P. what could be wrong with the cam? This is where people blow it. These production motors with small head ports are maxed at about 5800. Changing the gears is the most logical course. but the biggest obstacle hasn't anything to do with the car.I'ts trying to find a racer with both feet on the ground & some common sense. Going out to Fontana & beating the sh""t out of the car in 93 degree heat & not listening to your mechanic with 45 years of experience is a great example. Listening to idiots Is another.

Uh oh looks like someone is messing with your soup recipe.:biggrin:

 

[231x20psi=462ci]

Sucked! Track was like gum 10.50@127mph running out of gear 100ft before lights and a hot 93. Jeff also ran 4 tenths slower.

That stock Maf setup maybe hurting you, once you start to hit 10.5's or faster the stock ECU and Maf can only do so much for you, remember that the stock MAF will max out at 255grms of air anything after that the ECU is compesating and guessing how much fuel is needed on every blocks on top end and this also has its limitations, time to step up to a fast system or stroke that motor to get more RPM's out of it on top end, going down to a low gear may improve your ET a tad but you will lose significant MPH on top end, and vice versa. and listen to your father Lou he knows what he is talking about.

 

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Making at least 700 H.P. what could be wrong with the cam? This is where people blow it. These production motors with small head ports are maxed at about 5800. Changing the gears is the most logical course. but the biggest obstacle hasn't anything to do with the car.I'ts trying to find a racer with both feet on the ground & some common sense. Going out to Fontana & beating the sh""t out of the car in 93 degree heat & not listening to your mechanic with 45 years of experience is a great example. Listening to idiots Is another.

Taking the car out too Death Valley today.

 

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I didn't take the car out to Fontana to make record passes, I simply went out there to see the RPM in the lights. That was it! I made two pass and loaded up and went home by 1:30pm.

 

[Gary Wells]

And This Game Plan Is?????

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Well, for the motor I see a new TA-60 with the small .63 Garrett exhaust housing, alky, TT alky chip, & maybe Champion ported GN1 or GN1R ported, matching ported intake, maybe a small cam, & maybe T & D roller rockers.
I will continue looking for other improvements available for the suspension, & maybe discs on all 4 corners, & everything wrapped in a stock appearing body with factory paint.

 

[nordy racer]

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Well, for the motor I see a new TA-60 with the small .63 Garrett exhaust housing, alky, TT alky chip, & maybe Champion ported GN1 or GN1R ported, matching ported intake, maybe a small cam, & maybe T & D roller rockers.
I will continue looking for other improvements available for the suspension, & maybe discs on all 4 corners, & everything wrapped in a stock appearing body with factory paint.

nice set-up

 

[marred4life]

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Well, for the motor I see a new TA-60 with the small .63 Garrett exhaust housing, alky, TT alky chip, & maybe Champion ported GN1 or GN1R ported, matching ported intake, maybe a small cam, & maybe T & D roller rockers.
I will continue looking for other improvements available for the suspension, & maybe discs on all 4 corners, & everything wrapped in a stock appearing body with factory paint.

i have a ported .63 garret exhaust housing if you interested, it was ported by limit enginering

 

[Gary Wells]

Thanks for the offer, Marredforlife, but to the best of my knowledge, none of the turbo builders including John Craig will will take a already ported housing and build a new turbo on it, or so I have been told.
Thanks again.

 

[Chevota]

Making at least 700 H.P. what could be wrong with the cam? This is where people blow it. These production motors with small head ports are maxed at about 5800. Changing the gears is the most logical course. but the biggest obstacle hasn't anything to do with the car.I'ts trying to find a racer with both feet on the ground & some common sense. Going out to Fontana & beating the sh""t out of the car in 93 degree heat & not listening to your mechanic with 45 years of experience is a great example. Listening to idiots Is another.

Not arguing with your experience but if you're not going to rev it past 5800rpm why in the world would you put in lower gears?? If anything go taller gears and keep it in the torque range. If you guys are planning on sticking with the 3.73's then you answered your own question regarding the size of the cam..

 

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Not arguing with your experience but if you're not going to rev it past 5800rpm why in the world would you put in lower gears?? If anything go taller gears and keep it in the torque range. If you guys are planning on sticking with the 3.73's then you answered your own question regarding the size of the cam..

The gears are from the old setup. We found that on a dyno program that the car slows down with 342's. I'm thinking solid roller cam.

 

[Chevota]

The gears are from the old setup. We found that on a dyno program that the car slows down with 342's. I'm thinking solid roller cam.

i'm willing to bet money it'd go faster...some of the TSM guys are even running 3.08's

 

[XxDarkSidexX]

all I can jump in and say is those 3.27's sound very attractive! Im going to start looking at getting some 3.27's myself. Then because I also have FAST, and 3.42's and 3.73's can do my own calculations. I will be able test and look at the way each different gear effects a particular run or particular set up(heads/cams choices). **You can also change the sizing of those wheels and tires to give extra gear or take some gear out. There are many ways to add or remove gear, the most important thing is to use what works best for your application.

I would just say simply testing @ Fontana and Irwindale were a great success for Brent! I know I enjoyed watching him go at it! He found Many issues such as trap RPMS and gears that where discoverd...but thats what makes testing a success in the first place! Congratz brent. But you know a lot more testing is to be done, thats for sure. Maybe thats why Lou was saying dont run it @ fontana. Irwindale is where its at. Once you master that, then you roll out the 1/4 runs. Kind of like your stock maf idea, master that n iron out all the wrinkles, and you max out its potiential - then you step up to fast. Only because there is so much more testing to do ya know? But WTH am i saying my car is broke! Fawk me



Just what till its dialed in thats all i got to say. HEy brent I sent you that 4" stock maf pipe link right? You should try it out, while saving those pennies for a FAST set up.

 

[turbolou]

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i'm willing to bet money it'd go faster...some of the TSM guys are even running 3.08's

I have learned from experience once you find a cam that puts you in the ball park. the last thing you want to try is another. Because it drastically changes the set up & you get to start all over again. Gears & removing some weight should be the next consideration.Claims to need cruise control & AC to get to the donut shop. But the ultimate decision is Brent's I tend to be more cautious & take small steps.Right now he's going faster than I ever dreamed possible with what he has.He keeps telling me to let go of his ears, Cause he knows what he's doing.