What Is Your Opinion Of The Meanest Muscle Cars
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Gary Wells
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I did not know that there were any "COPO" Chevelles. According to Roger Huntington, in his book "American Supercar" there were about 50 or 60 "COPO" Camaros that GM has documented & verified, but the only other car that I know that was "COPO" was the vette. Supposedly, there was a fire in the building or buildings where GM stores it's archived records and GM will only Document, verify, validate, and/or authenticate 1 or 2 vettes. I did not know that there were any more "COPO" cars?
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ahhhhh Boss 429s !!!!! hell ya they "looked" bad a** !!!!! what a turd for performance though 
There were indeed other COPO cars. Novas and Chevelles alike were supposedly built under the orders submitted by dealers like Baldwin, Nicky (spelling?), Berger, and others.
I've seen what was claimed to be a couple of COPO Novas (427's) but have not seen any COPO Chevelles although I'm fairly certain a few were built.
To get a COPO car, all a dealer had to do was route the COPO order correctly and it would happen. Neat machines!
Of course, the ones we've heard most about are the COPO Camaros.
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I understand they were not that impressive but they are more of my era muscle, I wish I was around in the 60's to enjoy the real beasts but when ever I see that style TA they just have a bad ass look to them and I think the Smokey movies helped alot to! That 400 has tons of potential just not stock thanks to the emissions control equip and the tone down from the factory. Once again this is just mu opinon
People think that only Camaros were COPO cars, but the truth in the matter is that the COPO was originally used for special fleet/taxi/police option packages for individual dealers. Don Yenko was the first to utilize this for a performance oriented vehicle in 1966 with a run of 100 specially equipt Corvairs for road racing. COPO was later used for the 69 427 Camaros and Chevelles, then the 70 LT1 350 powered Novas. There were other dealerships that had their own COPO options as well. For example the 69 ZL1 Camaros were originally a COPO package specifically for Berger Chevrolet.
Anyways, the 427 Camaros were pretty darn fast cars, but you have to remember that there were tweaks done at the dealership. Some were pretty major and wouldnt be any different than the tweaks people would make to their GN's
Anyways, the 427 Camaros were pretty darn fast cars, but you have to remember that there were tweaks done at the dealership. Some were pretty major and wouldnt be any different than the tweaks people would make to their GN's
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Simple - 1967 Fairlane with a 427. How do I know? Because it holds the NHRA Stock Eliminator record.
You can go to the NHRA website and see how every stocker ever made factors (pounds per Hp). Some examples:
'87 GN - 11.3
'69 Chevelle 454/450 - 8.25
'69 Z-28 - 10.54
'69 Roadrunner 440+6 - 8.94
'69 Roadrunner Hemi - 8.53
Hard to argue this list...
You can go to the NHRA website and see how every stocker ever made factors (pounds per Hp). Some examples:
'87 GN - 11.3
'69 Chevelle 454/450 - 8.25
'69 Z-28 - 10.54
'69 Roadrunner 440+6 - 8.94
'69 Roadrunner Hemi - 8.53
Hard to argue this list...
Gary Wells
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Oops; My bad:
My error, I was thinking that only the ZL-1 Camaros were the only COPO cars. Ok, let me straighten out my statement a little. I have heard that there were only 1 or 2 ZL-1 vettes that GM will authenticate, as there was a fire that destroyed a lot of their early records. Big fckng oops there.
My error, I was thinking that only the ZL-1 Camaros were the only COPO cars. Ok, let me straighten out my statement a little. I have heard that there were only 1 or 2 ZL-1 vettes that GM will authenticate, as there was a fire that destroyed a lot of their early records. Big fckng oops there.
zl1 vette with the zl1 camero coming in at a close 2nd.
yenko camero and yenko vegas were pretty cool cars too, oh and cant' forget the yenko nova.
while were in the era you can't forget cars like the jaguar e-type that isn't nearly as fast as most of the muscle cars but even still, they were pretty impressive cars, especially on a road corse.
yenko camero and yenko vegas were pretty cool cars too, oh and cant' forget the yenko nova.
while were in the era you can't forget cars like the jaguar e-type that isn't nearly as fast as most of the muscle cars but even still, they were pretty impressive cars, especially on a road corse.
I believe that "Stock Eliminator" is not a truly "Stock" car. There ARE certain permissable mods allowed to run Stock Eliminator if I'm not mistaken.
Not to take anything away from the Fairlane - an awesome car in every way! And yes, one of the true 'muscle cars'.
If Stock Eliminator is the Judge of the best Muscle car, then a lot of station wagons and smog mobiles have been the "best musclecars" over the years.
During the actual musclecar era, Hemi Cuda's, Challengers and 427 Camaros OWNED A/S and A/SA. So by 2004 they are weight factored so a 427 Fairlane is now king
Where were they 30 years ago?
During the actual musclecar era, Hemi Cuda's, Challengers and 427 Camaros OWNED A/S and A/SA. So by 2004 they are weight factored so a 427 Fairlane is now king
Where were they 30 years ago?
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Originally posted by UNGN
If Stock Eliminator is the Judge of the best Muscle car, then a lot of station wagons and smog mobiles have been the "best musclecars" over the years.
During the actual musclecar era, Hemi Cuda's, Challengers and 427 Camaros OWNED A/S and A/SA. So by 2004 they are weight factored so a 427 Fairlane is now king
Where were they 30 years ago?
UNGN,
The "station wagons" and "smog mobiles" you refer to do not run in A/Stock, but in lower classes having higher weight to HP ratios - they are irrelevant to this discussion.
Also, in NHRA Stock Eliminator, HP is factored, not weight. Weight is shipping weight as reported by the manufacturer - it never changes.
The fact remains that the '67 427 Fairlane is the NHRA Record Holder is A/S. Thus, by (my) definition it's the "meanest muscle car".
BTW, the Fairlane runs in the 9s. You may not agree with NHRA rules, but they're more relevant to this discussion than somebody saying "My neighbor Billy Bob had this bad azz Cutlass...".
he is correct. There were also Yenko Novas called "Yenko Duece" also..
heres a Chevelle, Nova and Camaro links
http://chevellfan.com/index82.html
http://www.yenko.net/features/featurecars.htm
http://www.phillymint.com/ertlshopcart/ertl29273.htm
heres a Chevelle, Nova and Camaro links
http://chevellfan.com/index82.html
http://www.yenko.net/features/featurecars.htm
http://www.phillymint.com/ertlshopcart/ertl29273.htm
While loving many of the old muscle, I have a personal affection for the 442's. My dad had a 65 with a 400, and 3 spd. Yes, a 3 spd 442, yes it was real. He bought it brand new.
His twin brother bought a 66 new with the 400/4spd combo. He used to do VERY well at the track in his class. It was a PURE stock class. No slicks, no headers, etc. He ran on Atlas bias ply tires. Car ran 13.9's in stock form.
There is debate about what "442" originally stood for. My personal belief is that it was 400 cubes, 4bbl, dual (2) exhaust.
However, you could actually get a "442" with a 330ci olds motor. In the early days of the 442, it was a "package" for the cutlass.
His twin brother bought a 66 new with the 400/4spd combo. He used to do VERY well at the track in his class. It was a PURE stock class. No slicks, no headers, etc. He ran on Atlas bias ply tires. Car ran 13.9's in stock form.
There is debate about what "442" originally stood for. My personal belief is that it was 400 cubes, 4bbl, dual (2) exhaust.
However, you could actually get a "442" with a 330ci olds motor. In the early days of the 442, it was a "package" for the cutlass.
"Originally" (as in the first year 1964) you are correct. Starting in 1965 it changed..
Definition of 4-4-2 from the Oldsmobile Factory Literature:
1964 (Original meaning)
4: Four Barrel Carburetion
4: Four On the Floor
2: Dual Exhausts
1965 (First year of automatic transmission option on 442)
4: 400 Cubic Inch Displacement
4: Four Barrel Carburetion
2: Dual Exhausts
So I guess we're both right?
Definition of 4-4-2 from the Oldsmobile Factory Literature:
1964 (Original meaning)
4: Four Barrel Carburetion
4: Four On the Floor
2: Dual Exhausts
1965 (First year of automatic transmission option on 442)
4: 400 Cubic Inch Displacement
4: Four Barrel Carburetion
2: Dual Exhausts
So I guess we're both right?
