what you think of this combo?

[Cleaner13]

ok guys this is my big plans for my car for the near future and hopefully I can get alot of this done this winter

please tell me anything to add or change in your own experiences

TA-53
CAS V2 front mount
GN-1s
Champion Intake
Jay Jackson ported TB and plenum
50lbers with chip
lock up or non lock up 3200 stall converter not sure what size is needed or lock up or non lock up
alky (not installed yet)
LS1 MAF and translator

would this combo work well together or is something missing?
this is obviously along with my mods now as well as you probably already guessed

please tell me


thanks alot
Carl

 

[turbo buicks]

how fast do you want to go? if in the 10's i would do a block girdle IMO. also, if you plan to do 10's i would probably step up to a bigger injector. not sure what one though, but most vendors rate the 50's good to mid 10's. a 3200 will most likely be a NL and you will need to mod the trans for a NL converter. how much boost do you plan on running? also w/an injector larger than 50# yo will need to have the ECM modded for low impedance injectors.

 

[NoNos38]

You mean Champion is going to port your intake?? Its all about how fast you want to go. I would get one of bruces's 9/11 converters in the 3200 range, and everything else looks perty good. The 50's will need a Double Pumper to run alot of HP.

You should look into a nice set of Ported Iron's.. Save a few $$.
Matt

 

[Cleaner13]

turbo buicks

the most I am looking to go is high tens pontential
not to sound stupid,however Im only going to actually run a max of 12.00 at the track as I dont want to cut my car apart
I do want 10s or atleast high 10s at max but only potentially, meaning Im not going to run it since I need all the other requirements. I just want a fast car in all seriousness. Lots of fast cars here that do bets if you know what I mean. The reason I am using 50lbers because that is the largest you can go without changing over the ECM. I figure this is about as far to go without rebuilding the engine and **** like that.
NoNos38

Do I really need the double pumper, I have a walbro 340 at this time Im assuming thats not enough? Champion sells intakes, if you trade yours in for a champion they give you 250 credit, their intake is 500, well on the chance that I was going to port and polish a second intake while I still have mine has left me with an extra, so I am hoping I can trade both for their intake. The reason I settled on the GN1s instead of ported irons was that since the GN1s flow better I can run more boost on pump gas and alky and have lots of speed

please keep ideas coming

thanks

Carl

 

[turbo buicks]

if all you are GOING to do it a 12.00 you will be fine w/50#'ers. i dont understand why you want the ability to go 10's but not go 10's. i would at least want to get in one 10 sec pass just to see what it feels like.

 

[Cleaner13]

well I would do the 10 sec pass
but I aint getting a parachute or cutting my car up

I just am building it as my own project and peace of mind, just something I want to do and I really want a very fast car

Carl

 

[RobV6]

Opion

Was reading your goals. I've done the same thing at one time.

However, who ever told you to strenghten the bottom end. Was right. Sorry for not remeber the name.
He's why. You state that there are a lot of fast cars in your hood.

You don't think one night you'll put your foot into it. Hate to see guys bow up. Beacuse they say the are going to go 12's. Someone challanges you and you know the rest.

It is you call but it is hard to keep staying at one level. Since you know there's more..........Just my opion, HTH'ED....have fun.
And be safe.

 

[NoNos38]

Originally posted by Cleaner13 [/
NoNos38

Do I really need the double pumper, I have a walbro 340 at this time Im assuming thats not enough? Champion sells intakes, if you trade yours in for a champion they give you 250 credit, their intake is 500, well on the chance that I was going to port and polish a second intake while I still have mine has left me with an extra, so I am hoping I can trade both for their intake. The reason I settled on the GN1s instead of ported irons was that since the GN1s flow better I can run more boost on pump gas and alky and have lots of speed

please keep ideas coming

thanks

Carl [/B]

 

[RobV6]

Your pump has taken people to the 10's, so I'm told.
I don't know enough to answer or add to that.

But have you ever been in a 10 sec. car? I think you would think twice about bracing it. A friend I know, let me give a shot to a 10.25 Gn. Man talk about fear!!! 2 seconds, is such a change.

I think you should make up your mind. And at least girdle the block. You're thinking of the top end of the motor. When it's the bottom that let's go. So maybe give this some thought. As for pumps, I just don't know enough. If it where me I would get professional help. Or one of the guys running 10's on this site.

Believe me evryone wants the other to be safe and have fun.
It's that what this is about? HTH'ED some.....You've been lucky with the help these guys gave you. Use it.

Stay well & safe............Rob

 

[Cleaner13]

no I have never been in a 10 second car at all
I figure as I am building up though I would slowly get used to it

when you say build up the lower end, are you talking about forged pistons and crank and stuff?
I can get the girdle that wont be a problem, I honestly didnt even think of it
and yes I am sure your right about wanting to go faster and faster, its addictive, but its fun along the way as long as your safe and smart about it

yes I am very glad everyone on this can help me and most likely it will be done by professionals, and probably dynotech at that, since they are so conveinently located near me and they always take care of their customers as long as they need it

thanks guys

Carl

 

[RobV6]

You have mail..............

 

[NoNos38]

Originally posted by RobV6
Your pump has taken people to the 10's, so I'm told.
I don't know enough to answer or add to that.

As for pumps, I just don't know enough. If it where me I would get professional help. Or one of the guys running 10's on this site.


Im sure its been done with 50's and a single pump, But what were all the details? Car weighed 3200,, Alot of amazing things happen in the world everyday So just because (A guy) someone told somebody about ran a 10.00 with a single fuel pump doesn't mean it can really happen, or did for that matter. Oh, Ya Im sure there are afew people that were clinching there A#S cheaks one night at the track that ran a 10.99 on a single, With 110% duty
cycle... $300.00 extra for a D/P is peanuts what a rebuilt would cost . Its not practical.. Trust Me, Ive been down this road.((hence)) NEW MOTOR in sign...

I just hope my ""10.53"" is fast enough for RobV6 to answer this question.. Good luck,
Matt

 

[RobV6]

Misunderstanding

Matt, I think one of us misinterped what was said. First off, I was too lazy to go back to give you credit by name for what you said, appology noted.Which was the intake, 2 pumps, and I believe injectors and steel heads. Should have stopped there. Which is why I stated to ask someone else or get professional help. Wasn't going against you. Merely stating what I did not know. More I learn the more I realize what I don't know. Which is why, I read and try to help.
So we all get better at it....No???
And I did note that I didn't know a lot about pumps. or injectors.
Also you brought up a good point. Weight. I believe, PLEASE don't quote me. That a 100 pounds is equal to a tenth. (GOD I hope I got that right). I was trying to make a point about putting some thought in the motor rather than all of it on the top. Seen a lot of blown motors. Was trying as you where to spend the money more wisely. So you where right. This was not suppose to be war. NY. where I live is hard enough. Cars help, it's a hobby I love.
The car I drove, you are right. I never saw a slip on it. Was told it went 10.35. Which technically, is not a 10.00 takes a lot to get a tenth at that point. And your car at 3,700 is more real world.
My Limited is probably around the same,as it is loaded. And will stay that way.
The weight factor I just didn't think of at the time. Obviously, it got you going. No, I wasn't trying to get anyone angry.
Which is why I'm replying to you. Openly. Hey we make mistakes
I was trying to stear this person into going for a motor. As you pointed out I'm doing it myself with a friend who has more knowledge than me. Since I'm looking for the 11's. Not saying 11.00. but mid to low. I am doing my motor over. So we agree.
When I make a mistake I think,(A) you learn. (B) own up to it.
Hope this cleared the air. If I missed or didn't get to some point.
.....enough said. By the way your car, what is the trap speed. Just wanted to ask...Stay well

 

[Nashty]

Originally posted by NoNos38

Originally posted by RobV6
just because (A guy) someone told somebody about ran a 10.00 with a single fuel pump doesn't mean it can really happen, or did for that matter. Oh, Ya Im sure there are afew people that were clinching there A#S cheaks one night at the track that ran a 10.99 on a single, With 110% duty
cycle...

I went 10.69 @ 128 on a single Walbro 340 (hotwired) one time when I forgot to turn on the external pump. I got to 97% D/C on 75# injectors. Granted the hole is a little bigger than a 50# injector but it was at a very reasonable 45# fuel pressure. It was an accident and I wouldn't repeat the mistake, but it happened and I got 0% knock.

What cam are you planning on using?

PS, I went from a 12.2 (old motor) to a 10 sec car and the difference is night and day. Car feels like a freight train is pushing you along. You won't be running too many 12.0's when you have 10 sec capability unless you're lying low for some street racing.

 

[REDS HOT AIR]

Originally posted by Nashty
I went 10.69 @ 128 on a single Walbro 340 (hotwired) one time when I forgot to turn on the external pump. I got to 97% D/C on 75# injectors. Granted the hole is a little bigger than a 50# injector but it was at a very reasonable 45# fuel pressure. It was an accident and I wouldn't repeat the mistake, but it happened and I got 0% knock.

not doughting you

but this one goes to show hoow all cars are different, be it fuel lines or pump or whatever mine at 126 to 127 mph is simply out of fuel with a simgle 340

I went thru at 127 mph on the 50's with 65# base fuel pressure and my 02's went down to low 600's

I stepped up to 75# injectors and i'm getting the same results at the same mph so it goes to show i'm out of supply

granted that if you have your car where it will 60 ft hard the mph range i'm talking will easily get you in the 10's possibly low 10's

I just now girdled my motor and i'll tell you if it does anything it sure makes you feel better when your foreheads peeled back in high gear knowing that even if something lets go the girdle should keep the scraps inside the motor and not cutting a back time open at them speeds.

I would say 50's will get you there but will be topped out

Gn-1's arent nessasary at all but if ya got the money why not
myself i plan to see my way to low low 10's and possibly a 9.99 with stock valves still in my ported heads

ok enough for now

PS: big big difference between 12.0 and 10.99

 

[NoNos38]

I was just giving you some more insight to running a single pump. Didn't mean for it to sound negative in anyway..
Matt

 

[marc86mcss]

I have a newbie question for ya guys...

what does girdled mean?

 

[turbo buicks]

a block girdle is a billet steel piece that ties the main caps together for added strength.

more info: http://www.rjcracing.com/RJC_Buick_Products/RJC_Engine_Girdle/rjc_engine_girdle.html

 

[HRpartsNstuff]

If you are looking for high 10 performance capability for serious street use, here are a couple things to consider:

The front mount won't help you, it will hurt you IMO. I went 10.80's with a CAS V-4 stk location, and tried his front mount. It didn't go any faster, but ran the motor 8 degrees warmer & took a lot longer to build boost. 2 very bad things for street racing.

Get the biggest stickiest rubber you can fit under the rear, and get an extra set or two All the power in the world is no good if the other guy has more traction. Maybe get a spare set of street drag slicks for those serious nites

I am not real familiar with the 50 series turbos & keep hearing bad stuff on some of them. I would go with a TE-61 for awesome low 11 to low 12 zone & great daily driving. If you got to have that "10 something" & it will be set on kill most of the time, go with the TE-45A.

Consider your fuel & tuning too. Even with alky & the power plate, you need a lot of motor to run 10's with pump gas. I can only assume you plan to run race gas on those nights of serious fun. That makes for a lot of tuning back/forth headaches & hassles. You may be a lot further ahead to build a solid low 11 performer on pump gas & leave it alone. Safer & higher fun/stress ratio

Girdle is a must for the 10's, unless you only need one pass. I did it without, but it stresses things & my car was lighter. Speaking of, generally a 100# is a tenth. Of course if you take (10) of the 100#ers (1000#) off a 3500# car, it would weigh 2500#. That *should* equal 1 second, which would turn a 12 sec car into an 11 sec car. Guaranteed if my car weighed only 2500#, it would go a 9 sec pass. It is a rough guesstimate for sure, but it definitely helps out on the ET & stress reduction for driveline. Any weight savings is a big helper.

Stock internals are fine for high 10's. A cam & valve springs would really help. I wouldn't stress modding the ECM for 55# inj's either. That's what I ran street/strip, never had an issue, not a big deal. Red Armstrong does this all the time, works great.

Hope that helped. The guy who bought my car had to see it run a 10 so he could brag to everyone about owning a fast car. He made me de-tune it, put a smaller turbo on it, and now it sits. Last I heard it had 250 miles in over a year on it. Doesn't race it, no full throttle playing because the tune isn't there for pump gas. Couldn't get it under 22 psi with smaller turbo (TE-62) and big flapper on the DP. All said & done, it would be a lot more fun with a 49 or 61 turbo & 009's. Got to be realistic & true to your goals.
Have fun!

PS- A TRUE low 11 sec car on the street will beat the **** out of most anything out there, & be a BLAST to drive!

 

[Cleaner13]

ok guys I think you definitely conveinced me
what would be recommended to do the build up on a low 11s pump gas car?

also I still want the ability to run some race gas and hit a 10 if I needed it

the reason I had suggested the turbo I did was it seemed to be the largest and stock appearing to work with the 50s
I am in search of a stock appearing one so if anyone can make a better suggestion please do

thanks again guys

Carl