Which Kit To Buy

[toddmingnworld]

OK I will finally have the money to buy an Alky system this weekend but am unsure as to which one to settle on....Before
you suggest I start reading the other posts' I've already done that....I seem to like the SMC setup but I thought I read somewhere that the Progressive unit is stronger or more reliable hence more expensive.

I have a mild combo and would like to run 24-25 psi's daily with a
stated goal of low to mid 11's at the track as she pulls really hard....really hard...I am very particular and would like to have as
many safety precautions in place as possible....I understand the SMC is equipped with a test light to let you know when the alky is spraying or not...Do all systems come with this feature? What are some other things I should look for in a Alky Kit? Thanks guys for
your positive feedback in advance....

Todd

 

[Razor]

Aside from Reds post on getting into alcohol, my viewpoint pertains as to how the alcohol is injected into the motor, drivability, and quantity needed to control detonation.. For a mid 12 second car the requirements are not high. Like wise if the car has updated IC, heads, cam, etc..things that bring boost levels down, requirements are not the same as a stock headed, stock IC car. The issue pertains to how fast you want to go, and how much you'll have to blow through to saturate the air where the detonation control will happen.

If the car has stock IC, stock heads, it doesnt take a lot to stack up the air inside the motor. This stacked up air gets hot really fast..and thus requires a lot more alky to bring the temps down and increase the octane. So to blow 25 PSI+ with a small turbo, stock IC, stock heads..thats some hot air leaving the IC. The requirments are much higher at this boost level. You must up the flow of the system. Next problem is if you increase the flow to offset the heat your trying to bring down..this added quantity, will most definetely cuase a drivability problem when sprayed at a lower boost level.

Only ways I know to spray little a low boost and a lot at high boost is via a multistage system or progressive. Multistage being two or more nozzles firing at different boost levels using selenoids. progressive being a single nozzle that increases in pressure as the demand increases. SMC, Snow Performance and myself sell progressive controllers to help alleviate/cure the drivability issues stated. Features vary, price varies, and so does installation. Cost increases due to the increase in electronics. In my case a GM 3 bar sensor is required for applications exceeding 15 PSI.

There are plenty of threads on this section pertaining to different kits available. Pro's and cons. I hope the information shared gives an explanation as to your progressive question.

Your precaution question I will answer like this. When you do get your car into the 11's..you'll be so busy keeping it going straight and off the wall that things like guages are not looked at. Personally one eye is on the track, the other is glued to my scanmaster KR readout.. If I see KR.. I lift then go check. Boost, FP, EGT, oil pressure, water temp, etc.. a bazillion guages..only one I care about..thats KR. How much boost do you run??? I can only answer that when I'm comfortable enough that I can take my eyes of the KR.. things happen really fast when you make power.. I only pay attention to guages when doing diagnostics..

HTH..

Julio

 

[V6POWER]

IMO, your current combo will have a very hard time hitting low-mid 11's with alcohol. Maybe you can with race gas/race chip/traction.

 

[vitaman2]

In my opinion Get Julio's aka Razor. You won't regret it-excellent knowledge/service,easy excess to, & quality components
P.S. from a person who owned a SMC

 

[toddmingnworld]

Razor,

Thanks for the detailed reply, I really appreciate it. Which Kit do you sell the Progressive right? The SMC & Progressive kits cost the same right, $399? What does one offer that the other does not I guess is the big question...Does the basic SMC Kit come well-equipped? Sorry about the questions but the only way to learn is to ask...

My car will be launching at 8 psi and will run 24 psi's on Alcohol so my best guess would be to have the Alky start spraying at or around 10, 11 psi's...I want to avoid the lag and bog-down condition Alky can cause if sprayed to soon but at the same time I want it come up in time to kill any potential KR...I run drag radials on the street & will turn over to Cheeter slicks at the track...My friend was tuning for my 48 Turbo and those DR's hooked up before 2nd gear and he left about 7 psi's....This car pulls hard but the issue is at about 18, 19 pounds I register around 7, 8 degrees of KR on the scanmaster. My car is not tuned very well right now....

Look Quick,

All the people I've allowed to drive my car say the complete opposite..Two TR shops have worked on my car and both feel
my car with the right combo & tune can easily achieve low 11's..
I'll find the right chip that'll work best with my Alky set-up and traction won't be an issue...I thought running Alky was to get away from the expensive race gas; actually Alcohol achieves the same result.....Somebody correct me if I'm wrong..

Todd

 

[Razor]

Todd,
On this board I can only give objective critism. I will not do a comparo of my system vs the SMC system. I've done that already once, and will not do it again. Sorry.

You are more than welcome to contact myself or Steve and we will give you our insight as to the pro's of our systems. This is the only way I can maintain things civil here

I believe the progressive is an add on option to the base SMC kit. This again you will have to verify with SMC.

In my case, my progressive starts at 3-4 PSI boost, and will ramp up to 30 PSI boost.

I will say that 009's and a 48 turbo would appear to be a little small for low 11's. Unless you can run 30+ PSI. This is a whole other story. No issues with your quest for 25+ PSI on alky.

Alky can be made to give similar et results as race gas. Your combo will need to be matched for that.

If you want to ask anything specific about my system, fine. I will answer that. As it relates to doing a comparo. Wont do it on the board in a public forum. Hope you understand.

Just take twenty minutes and start reading posts from the top down.. this should give a better insight into alcohol injection.

Peace

Julio
727-526-9724

 

[toddmingnworld]

Razor,

I understand completely. No problem at all. I'll visit your site and email you privately shortly....

Todd

 

[V6POWER]

Good luck getting low 11's on alcohol and your current combo. IMO you don't have nearly enough combo to do it. You will probably break something while trying.

 

[Pat Adkins]

Look quick, I have a comment for you & all the other nay sayers on this board. isn't it great the freedom of speech .
one day there are 100 guys on here that have gone 11.50s on a stock turbo and the next day no one can go 11.30s with a bigger one . make up your minds or didn't anyone read the recipe on gnttype.org

 

[V6POWER]

Pat--I'm not saying his combo can't go low 11's. I'm saying it will be very hard with 93 octane + alcohol. If he was running race gas with high timing race chip and good traction, it could be possible.

 

[1badTTA]

LMAO

I find it rather funny too.

Some people are able to get their car to run high 11's with stock turbo, IC, injectors, and DP but if you read people's sig's you will see alot with mid 12's and bigger turbo, IC, injectors, and DP.

The easiest way to tell what your performance will be with Alky is to compare it to what performance you get with racegas, that rules out most of the driver/tune equation.

 

[19gn87]

Razor,

Check your e-mail and send new 'temp link' to Todd?

 

[toddmingnworld]

Razor,

I don't know if you got my email or not but let me ask you here whether or not you'd recommend a dual nozzle progressive setup for my combo and how much more that would be to go with over the basic Alky unit. I wonder what the difference is and what I could potentially gain from a dual setup?

Todd

 

[Razor]

Todd, was great talking with you. I think your starting to get a grip on things. Best you can do is research research research and make a decision based on what you read, feel, and know that is going to be better for your situation.

As simple as this alky injection is..there is a bit more than meets the eye.

Build a good foundation.. the house will stand firm.

Julio

 

[Razor]

Originally posted by Pat Adkins
Look quick, I have a comment for you & all the other nay sayers on this board. isn't it great the freedom of speech .
one day there are 100 guys on here that have gone 11.50s on a stock turbo and the next day no one can go 11.30s with a bigger one . make up your minds or didn't anyone read the recipe on gnttype.org

Hey nobody can predict how fast a car is going to be..we can all generalize..but who knows who gets that wednesday car that just plain goes... Some Buicks stock run low 13's..others mid 15's.. on the same engines and combos.. Thats why some cars are known as freaks..and rules dont apply to these vehicles.

What can I say.. a fast car is a fast car..plenty of examples..heres one..Rob Crissafulli went 132 on a bone stock IC..Mike TTA89 went 11.20's@122 with a small turbo/injectors and a stock motor.

Peace..can it be done.. sure.. likely, only if the owner has a little luck

Peace guys..