Why no alky?

[chadly]

For those of you who are not running alky, why not? Other than the initial cost that is. It seems to be the best bang for the buck, but I know some people have steered clear and I’m wondering why. Just as soon as my scan master arrives and I know with confidence the car is tuned I will be looking for the next upgrade. For some reason I’m more drawn to heads and cam than the alky. What are you hesitations with alky?

 

[22lbChevelle]

Perhaps because it is sort of unconventional. It is a fueling substitute that is essentually its own fuel system. Some people may think that it is too complex or that it is " just another thing to go wrong". Also maybe an uneducated person (on the topic of alky) might think that it is dangerous like nitrous, which it is not...in fact I think it is more dangerous to not run it.

 

[87GNTTOP]

Alky

What is truly a safe boost level to run on a stock turbo and injectors car?

At what point will you start breaking things because of to much boost and making the extra hp. Like the stock tranny for instance, heads lifting from block, axles etc.

I like the idea, but what is truly the most psi you should run without having to worry about breakage and extra expenses.

And yes, I know everything breaks but we dont need to help or speed up the process.

 

[UNDER-PRESSURE]

With the well designed Alky kits available today & the GREAT Alky chip programing available from Turbo Tweak it's foolish to run your car without it. From running your stock car on a hot day to raising the boost for increased performance these kits eliminate damaging detonation. After 20 years of playing with these cars on race gas i recently made the switch to Alky & will never go back.

 

[AR GN]

Also, some racing sanctions only allow 1 power adder, and alky is considered a power adder - similar to nitrous.

 

[Turbo1dr]

I don't run alky because I think my auto switching dual fuel set-up is much looking! :tongue:

 

[chadly]

I appreciate all the replays. I dislike the fact that once I put alky on it will spray regardless if I want or need it. Tonight while on a quick cruise I was running 8-15lbs of boost to satisfy my desires. The car ran perfect on 93 pump gas. If I had alky it would be spraying alky when not needed correct? Boost is performance and I like that. I also like reliability, and keeping it simple seems to keep it reliable, but missing some performance that is very much desired. I want more, but not sure how I should get it without loosing reliability. In addition I would love to see some under hood pictures of alky setups. I like a clean look and if I can get it, I’ll probably jump aboard the alky ride.

 

[ES1]

You have turn on points (boost level) where alky starts spraying.
I don't want my cars to break, so I don't run high boost levels or high timing with alky.
My cars do not perform as well as they could but I hope by not being on the edge, I will not have a high rate of breakage.
I sure do like the feel of 20-22 lbs of boost!

 

[Not Avg 6]

I was on the fence about alky for few years. Got tried of buy racing gas and finally installed a Razor's kit a few weeks ago. Love it! The kit is awesome and the power is unbelieveable. Won't never leave home without it.

 

[Turbo1dr]

Got tried of buy racing gas....

That's the benefit of having dual fuel systems. It works only when you need it....whether it be alky or race fuel. Alky guys run 93 with alcohol and I run 87/116 octane fuel. Man, I LOVE IT!

 

[Not Avg 6]

That's the benefit of having dual fuel systems. It works only when you need it....whether it be alky or race fuel. Alky guys run 93 with alcohol and I run 87/116 octane fuel. Man, I LOVE IT!

Around me 116 is about $12/ gal and M1 is $4-5. Two gallons of meth last me almost 2 weeks of fending off the enemy.

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

That's the benefit of having dual fuel systems. It works only when you need it....whether it be alky or race fuel. Alky guys run 93 with alcohol and I run 87/116 octane fuel. Man, I LOVE IT!

that set up is bada$$
you showoff

 

[Turbo1dr]

Around me 116 is about $12/ gal and M1 is $4-5. Two gallons of meth last me almost 2 weeks of fending off the enemy.

I bought 5 gallons of 116 back in October 2006. I still have about a gallon and a half left in my tank. That means you are spending waayyy more money than me on fuel...so HA!:tongue: I'm going to replace it since it might be stale now...

Of course, you probably run the **** outta your car more than me.

 

[SouthernCal GN]

I appreciate all the replays. I dislike the fact that once I put alky on it will spray regardless if I want or need it. Tonight while on a quick cruise I was running 8-15lbs of boost to satisfy my desires. The car ran perfect on 93 pump gas. If I had alky it would be spraying alky when not needed correct? Boost is performance and I like that. I also like reliability, and keeping it simple seems to keep it reliable, but missing some performance that is very much desired. I want more, but not sure how I should get it without loosing reliability. In addition I would love to see some under hood pictures of alky setups. I like a clean look and if I can get it, I’ll probably jump aboard the alky ride.

Razor's alky (alkycontrol.com) is one of the most well researched bolt-ons available- he's worked the bugs out of the system, and the install is about as clean as you could ask for.

Boost is performance- with the alky kit, I drive my car set to 24 psi all the time. I keep the alky tank filled to the top. You are incorrect in one assumption- you ddon't have to have the alky on and spraying all the time. Turn the system off, and voila- no alky!

The system couldn't be easier- install, tune, and leave it alone. Rock solid reliability.

Most of the time I open my hood, people don't even know I'm running methanol injection; I tell them the line going to the up-pipe is a boost reference line

...I also put a few drops of green food coloring in the alky tank:biggrin: :biggrin:

 

[my1stgn]

That's the benefit of having dual fuel systems. It works only when you need it....whether it be alky or race fuel. Alky guys run 93 with alcohol and I run 87/116 octane fuel. Man, I LOVE IT!

So Im assuming your dual fuel system set-up cost less than an alky kit and is probly easier to install?...... hummm..... I thinks Im gonna sell my Razor Alky kit and get me one of dem dual fuel system set-ups! How much?:biggrin:

 

[my1stgn]

I appreciate all the replays. I dislike the fact that once I put alky on it will spray regardless if I want or need it. Tonight while on a quick cruise I was running 8-15lbs of boost to satisfy my desires. The car ran perfect on 93 pump gas. If I had alky it would be spraying alky when not needed correct? Boost is performance and I like that. I also like reliability, and keeping it simple seems to keep it reliable, but missing some performance that is very much desired. I want more, but not sure how I should get it without loosing reliability. In addition I would love to see some under hood pictures of alky setups. I like a clean look and if I can get it, I’ll probably jump aboard the alky ride.

Well somehow Julio thought of that and installed a switch called "On/Off" so you could actually turn off the $5 a gallon expensive methanol injection system and run you 8-15 lbs of boost.... or you could makes adjustments so it doesnt spray untill a certain boost level, and you could control how much alky it sprays at what boost level. Thus increasing the alky as boost increases. But alky does have a few draw backs no one really mentions.

For example. You are able to run more boost (around 18-25lbs) which means you will probly waste more gas too and increase the chance of getting speeding tickets. That sucks!

Also it causes excessive smoke and noise coming from the rear end when accelerating hard. I think it comes from the tires breaking loose all the time but I have yet to prove it.

Another thing (might be related) is the rear tires wear out a whole lot faster than before. Im guessing cause the added weight of the alky system but Im just speculating.

Last, just like drugs, its addicting. The more you hit the gas and the more you want to do it over, and over again. It freakin sucks! Then when you accidently install a BstC Boost controller and run as much boost from the seat of your car as your want, forget about it. Makes you not want to drive the car anymore!

Installing alky, worst decision I ever made!....... did I mention I might be dislexic?....

Dude dont get alky! Let the rest of us have all the fun!

 

[Turbo1dr]

So Im assuming your dual fuel system set-up cost less than an alky kit and is probly easier to install?...... hummm..... I thinks Im gonna sell my Razor Alky kit and get me one of dem dual fuel system set-ups! How much?:biggrin:

You already have a dual fuel set-up except you're using alcohol as the alternate fuel. My system and the alky system does the exact same thing...turns on only when needed and lets you run higher boost without knock. Mine isn't cheaper....just cooler looking and a GREAT conversation maker. As a side benefit, I can also run more boost because mine doesn't mix both fuels...it replaces the low octane with high octane. :tongue:

 

[chadly]

What’s the green food coloring for? I’ve not heard of that one before.

Yes I realize you can turn the alky system off. In doing so I’m also making the assumption that your running the car at advanced levels of timing that requires the alky to prevent damage. My thought was it would be cool if there was and maybe there is a programmable chip that would adjust for this. Currently I have one of those 7 position chips that I can change on the fly depending of what octane I’m running and performance I desire. This way you could run around with your normal 93 and 15lbs of boost keeping it easy on the car then switch to alky and get rather aggressive at the track or lined up against what ever comes along. I will say alky sure sounds like a whole lot of fun :biggrin: and I’ve only read good things about the service and quality of the Razor’s kit.

 

[AR GN]

My guess would be to make it look like antifreeze.

Also, Razor's kit does come with the PAC (Progressive Alcohol Controller). The more boost, the more alky it sprays. However, I understand what you are saying about having a multi-positioned switch for different chip programs. I have an Extender Extreme chip for non-alky fun and a TT chip for alky.

 

[SouthernCal GN]

What’s the green food coloring for? I’ve not heard of that one before.

Yes I realize you can turn the alky system off. In doing so I’m also making the assumption that your running the car at advanced levels of timing that requires the alky to prevent damage. My thought was it would be cool if there was and maybe there is a programmable chip that would adjust for this. Currently I have one of those 7 position chips that I can change on the fly depending of what octane I’m running and performance I desire. This way you could run around with your normal 93 and 15lbs of boost keeping it easy on the car then switch to alky and get rather aggressive at the track or lined up against what ever comes along. I will say alky sure sounds like a whole lot of fun :biggrin: and I’ve only read good things about the service and quality of the Razor’s kit.

Green food coloring

I run moderate timing (21/23 degrees) in my GN.

The alky does 2 things;
1) cools the intake charge so the O2 content is greater. Means you can add more boost!
2) adds a fuel to take advantage of the increased O2 content and boost increase.

Here's the beauty and simplicity of the system- you can use you 7 position chip to do exactly what you desire to do- tune the car for max performance W/O alky on one of the settings, then use another position for the alky blast.

At this point, I think you're pretty convinced of the benefits; I advise you call Razor and just get the thing

You'll never regret it.......or I'll buy the kit from you!