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has anyone seen this movie? its pretty good, a lot of crazy stuff, pretty graphic for a TV movie.. those two gun men were nuts...

its on again tonight @ 6:00 (that my time though.. est) on FX

good show, i like it :D

-Neil
 
Ive seen it...its a good movie for knowing the story, but i think the interview stuff is kinda cheezy...
 
I was going to catch some of it but missed it. From what I saw it looked like cheesy re-enactments of exactly what happened.
I don't know about the rest of the country but in California we had to hear and see it daily for months. There's pretty much nothing new for us on this. Looked like it had potential to be interesting
 
Possibly not a movie, but a documentary.
I have seen it seveal times and I find it very interesting.
Some of the people involved had their lives changed forever.
Only the criminals were killed.
Law enforcement won out over insurmountable odds as far as the firepower was concerned.
Now that I have posted this, I am not sure that we are talking about the same thing here. I am refering to a documentary that airs on "American Justice" and the Discovery channel sometimes.
I believe it to be authentic and a reasonable true portrayl of what happened. The store involved was "B and B" or "Bumble Bee Wholesale" in North Hollyweird. It is no longer in existance, I believe.
 
I have seen this movie and recorded it. Somewhat cheezy but a pretty good portrayal of what the police have to deal with for $40-$50k a year.

Here's 4 minutes of the actual radio traffic. I gives me chills hearing it:
Radio Traffic

Here's another great site that automatically plays a .wav file of radio traffic once it loads.
Shootout Page
 
I saw one of the patrol cars up front , that thing was Shredded looked like strainer..:eek:
 
I remember watching it live (well almost) on CNN and couldn't bring myself to watch a "remake". That was one of the scariest newsreels I've ever seen!
 
Was that the Bank of America shootout from '96 or so? I saw the unedited tapes from that...scary. The family of one of the suspects sued the police department because he was still alive at the end of the shootout (though bleeding profusely) and when the ambulances started showing up the cops waved them over to the other cops and past the scumbag.

I believe 4 or 5 of the cops involved with that committed suicide since then. Apparantly it's fairly common for that to happen.
 
Wow, I didn't know some them offed themselves....that's bad.

Yes it was the Bank of America and took place on February 28th 1997.
 
Remember the fire fighter/baby in the pulitzer prize winning photo from the Okie city bombing? He signal 32'd (suicide) himself as well.
 
The only thing that bothered me

Was that with 50 friggin cops and a SWAT team, NONE of them could pull off a head shot? Give me a break! I could have hit the friggin guys standin out there for minutes on end with head and neck totally unprotected. With one sniper bullet or even a street cop that was half asssed, A head shot was needed, and could not be produced.. They got smart later shooting them in the feet , but it all could have ended with two shots in the first 5 minutes. Hell, I am a better shot than that.
All in all it was a pretty good recreation considering I watched the first one live. That is what scares me.

Bruce
WE4
 
Hey Bruce. I don't wanna sound like a dick, but I don't think you coulda taken em out with a head shot either. At 50 yards I can drill you square in the eye with my HK .40....but when you're shooting at me with an AK47 with 7.62x39mm rounds out of 100 round drum, I'm not gonna take the time to take a knee and aim real well. Those rounds can go through the car and kill you and enough of em will take down a cement light pole (you can see a couple poles trimmed down quite a bit on the video).

The problems with this scenario was that a typical SWAT callout takes 45 minutes...regardless of the department. This shootout was over in 50. Most road patrol officers only have a sidearm and maybe a shotgun and we all know how effective a shotgun is at 100 yards. Due to this shooting, some departments have gone to 9mm or .223 AR15's, but not alot. We sure haven't.

With the dozen and a half officers there, I'd imagine ONE of em woulda been an awesome shot, but still it took loss of blood to down one of them and a combined suicide/sniper shot to down the other.

Easy to Monday morning quarterback this one, but I'm sure as hell glad I wasn't there. I'd STILL be wiping my ass clean.
 
I watched the show and have watched several documentaries of this, and I am still amazed at that event. This just goes to show what 2 motivated individuals can do with the right equipment and know how. Just think, what if there had been 4 of these guys, or 10! They may have taken over the city! Full body armor and thousands of rounds of ammo. What balls on these guys.

The part that put chills on me was when the one bad guy tells the other "I'm not going to jail today". How does a man get to that point in life?:confused:

As for the suicides following this event, it doesn't surprise me. One of the most common forms of death in the US. Especially in high stress jobs. In fact, you are more likely to die of suicide than in many other ways. Ask an actuary.

As for the cops not getting a head shot........it won't happen in a shoot out like that until you get your snipers in place, and the guys decide to stand still someplace. If you notice these guys were almost constantly on the move. And when they were still, they were firing off rounds with fully auto AK-47s, or H&Ks. When bad guys shoot, that's when the cops are taking cover, not taking aim! In most shoot outs with Police, both parties are usually within 10 feet of each other, and usually no one gets shot. It's hared to take aim when your trying to take cover at the same time.

I could think of no scarier situation than this. Glad the cops are there for us, but I couldn't do it. And this event even freaked a lot of the cops out.
 
Re: The only thing that bothered me

Originally posted by WE4
Was that with 50 friggin cops and a SWAT team, NONE of them could pull off a head shot? Give me a break! I could have hit the friggin guys standin out there for minutes on end with head and neck totally unprotected. With one sniper bullet or even a street cop that was half asssed, A head shot was needed, and could not be produced.. They got smart later shooting them in the feet , but it all could have ended with two shots in the first 5 minutes. Hell, I am a better shot than that.
All in all it was a pretty good recreation considering I watched the first one live. That is what scares me.

Bruce
WE4
Really?...pretty good shot are you at a target range? How about at the same range with an issue 9mm Beretta like LAPD? How about using that 9mm from 30-50 yards on a target that's moving and spraying automatic gunfire 360°? As I'm sure you know AK-47 rounds will go straight through trees (in LA), telephone poles, cinder blocks, cars, walls and just about anything in that urban setting.

Ready...pop your head above the hood of the car, steady your 9mm on the fender, take a deep breath and exhale...now slowly squeeze off a round. All the while everything around you is exploding.....yea, right. :rolleyes:
 
MMA fans should watch this. Ex-UFC fighter turned actor Igor Taktarov plays one of the gunmen. He was also one of the bad guys in "15 Minutes" a couple years back.
 
As for head shots........we were taught to not even try it in police academy. We were taught to aim at the widest part of the body. Your chances of getting a head shot in the field is minimal at best. And your chances of a head shot while a guy is shooting an AK at you.........0%.
 
>They got smart later shooting them in the feet , but it all could have ended with two shots in the first 5 minutes. Hell, I am a better shot than that. <

the two officers that took out that guy by shooting under the vehicles were swat guys -- and they didnt "get smart" and shoot them in the feet-- they showed tremendous courage under heavy fire and did what they had to do to get the job done

my take on your post is that you feel you would have been much more capable of handling that incident then the officers of the lapd who were involved- sounds like you just had one too many when you posted
 
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