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BobbyBuick
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Ive ran the limit 70 with a p trim last year and went 130.mph @10.35 was my best with ME.R.nothing high dollar or fancy.I think the turbo picked up to run the same as my old 45a with 5 Lbs less boost.I really only ran it about 24lbs last summer and went about 27-30lbs the year before.Hopefully goin into TSM this year and need to crank it up some .I know the competition will be a lot faster than mine however doing it for the change and the people involved .A bunch of great buick people in that class
Sorry Jack I know you have product to move so you dont get stuck with it so move it, I was not trying to hurt your sales from my "incorrect" info. Just was stating what I know and have seen, BTW dident see your reply on how well the ball bearings are holding up especially in the Supra community. Sorry have just seen more people go alot faster with PTE or Craigs stuff I bet all the people going fast with turbonetics stuff dont have computers.
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JCotton
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Ahhh, It's NoClue again......... thanks for sharing your experience, I'll have to remember that, next time I deal with a Supra owner. Looks to me like there have been plenty of Turbonetics owners that have posted here and in past threads with their good results from their turbos. I'm sure my own use of Turbonetics turbos, consistent 8 second passes for 2 years now, as well as low 9 second passes for the previous 2 years with more passes under my belt than probably all the TSO cars out there...... doesn't make a statement. 
But then, your 2 passes running a 10.90 with your GTQ70 does......... Unfortunately, I have a difficult time responding to fools making ridiculous statements publicly. Now, why don't you go back to your keyboard and sell your used GTQ70 in another thread...
But then, your 2 passes running a 10.90 with your GTQ70 does......... Unfortunately, I have a difficult time responding to fools making ridiculous statements publicly. Now, why don't you go back to your keyboard and sell your used GTQ70 in another thread... Jack where are they, your Turbonetics people? Oh thats right Russ Merritt is he on payroll. And yes your 8.90 car is badddd your deep in the eights alright, with a pumpkin, hows your heat and A/C mine are fine, oh and whats your car weigh? If I could only manage 8.90's with that gutted fish I would burn it. I guess you will post back when you car runs with the other GN1 headed Stage II's.
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I'm def not on the payroll....................
It appears we have some hard feelings between some of you guy's. I'm loosing track of who is slamming who. All those on Jacks side----RAISE YOUR HANDS. All against say--I---. Almost forgot this post was about 70mm turbos. I appreciate all the input, but please leave personal feelings to the PM's. In my book, anyone running 8-9's has my respect. All I want to know is, are the T-netics turbos built with the same level of quality/perfomance as "Limit" and or "PTE". Just wanting to make an informed purchase, not cause any salt to be poured into old wounds. Brian
Most guys have figured out I am not in the sugar coating business. I have ran PTE's units, and of recent builds, I think they are good pieces. I have had problems with a limit turbo and he took care of it. I have a Turbonetics turbo on my S2 car and that has worked as good as advertised. I think ALL turbo manufactures make good products as of today. I think what is important is you have a vendor that works for you and will stand behind what they sell and a turbo manufacture that is looking to raise the bar, and that seems to be all 3 of the big guys out there right now.
CAN'T we all get along???
P.S. Jack, you burned the fish.
J
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Sorry Brian,
I always try to keep my responses to the topic, it's unfortunate that some are more interested in a personal agenda and attacks. My personal love of these cars and drag racing in general has brought me to where I am today. I'm not looking for any glory or special place in the community, nor any other position other than a contributing Turbo Buick enthusiast sharing what I have experienced over the many years I have owned one. The internet was a gift many years ago with the GNTtype group that I thoroughly enjoyed, all to often, this is not. These days, I only tend to respond when myself or a product related to me is the topic. This just isn't worth it anymore, I'm not the enemy............if it means untrue or misleading information is being posted, I think it will have to be someone else that defends the truth or weeds out the statements that are misleading, because someone leaves out information that would make it less than what it was intended to be.
As for Cals statement, you're right Cal, time for a reality check..... you are the man.............. I almost forgot.
Jay........ like I said before......... NoClue.
There is much more I'd like to say, obviously, this isn't the place. It's unfortunate this thread turned this way, so much for moderators....
I always try to keep my responses to the topic, it's unfortunate that some are more interested in a personal agenda and attacks. My personal love of these cars and drag racing in general has brought me to where I am today. I'm not looking for any glory or special place in the community, nor any other position other than a contributing Turbo Buick enthusiast sharing what I have experienced over the many years I have owned one. The internet was a gift many years ago with the GNTtype group that I thoroughly enjoyed, all to often, this is not. These days, I only tend to respond when myself or a product related to me is the topic. This just isn't worth it anymore, I'm not the enemy............if it means untrue or misleading information is being posted, I think it will have to be someone else that defends the truth or weeds out the statements that are misleading, because someone leaves out information that would make it less than what it was intended to be.
As for Cals statement, you're right Cal, time for a reality check..... you are the man.............. I almost forgot.
Jay........ like I said before......... NoClue.
There is much more I'd like to say, obviously, this isn't the place. It's unfortunate this thread turned this way, so much for moderators....
Limit Engineering offers a 1 year warrantee on all turbos.
In the last 2+ years of selling John Craig (Limit Engineering) turbos I have 0 (Zero) failures with 0 (Zero) returns for warrantee. I just want to make sure that the board knows that.
Does Turbonetics offer a warrantee on their turbos? Just a questions because I do not know.
In the last 2+ years of selling John Craig (Limit Engineering) turbos I have 0 (Zero) failures with 0 (Zero) returns for warrantee. I just want to make sure that the board knows that.
Does Turbonetics offer a warrantee on their turbos? Just a questions because I do not know.
I apologize for my harsh response. When you start making comparisons to other TSO cars (which I have), I felt inclined to post.
As for the PTE vs Turbonetics debate. I feel that PTE keeps a pretty close eye on the pulse of the Buick world.
In TSM they came out with the ported shroud TSM71 which the GSCA didn't allow (I believe it's legal this year)
In TSE they came out with the 3 bolt 88 which got banned due to it's unfair advantage
In TSO the PT88 was on nearly every car but Jack's
I dynoed several 70mm turbos (didn't have a Turbonetics) on Louie's car and saw an advantage with the PT70 GTQ
I realize I am only comparing the horse power aspect. I don't have a clue how well they compare on the street.
As for the PTE vs Turbonetics debate. I feel that PTE keeps a pretty close eye on the pulse of the Buick world.
In TSM they came out with the ported shroud TSM71 which the GSCA didn't allow (I believe it's legal this year)
In TSE they came out with the 3 bolt 88 which got banned due to it's unfair advantage
In TSO the PT88 was on nearly every car but Jack's
I dynoed several 70mm turbos (didn't have a Turbonetics) on Louie's car and saw an advantage with the PT70 GTQ
I realize I am only comparing the horse power aspect. I don't have a clue how well they compare on the street.
Ted, Jack, and Cal. Thank you for your contributions. Cal, I read the article in GMHT mag., and saw the dyno comparo's. Taffy, I've run John's turbos exclusively since day one---fantastic pieces. I'm sure PTE and T-netics have great turbos also, and all 3 major players will stand behind their products as well. My decision will be made today after talking with all invovled. This might come down to a pricing thing, as I don't think I can go wrong with any of them. Maybe it's just a matter of whether I need BB or not. Brian
Cal, one thing about that gmhtp comparison always puzzled me a little - yes the GTQ made more peak hp but if you look at the hp curves they drop off fairly rapidly with the other two turbos and stay almost flat for another 1-2000 rpm with the GTQ. That has to be a big advantage on the track, and it wasn't even mentioned in the text.
Carl ,
You have noticed something that most dont. The torque is much flatter and stays up much longer with the PTE GTQ. I dont know why it wasnt mentioned, maybe oversight or just editorial decisions? Its clearly visible from P trim to GTQ to the PTE GTQ as the curve straighten outquite a bit.
Originally posted by Louie L.
Carl ,
You have noticed something that most dont. The torque is much flatter and stays up much longer with the PTE GTQ. I dont know why it wasnt mentioned, maybe oversight or just editorial decisions? Its clearly visible from P trim to GTQ to the PTE GTQ as the curve straighten outquite a bit.
Were my eyes deceiving me or was the PTE GT70Q a 4" inlet/3" outlet compressor cover? I beleive the John Craig turbo was a regular 60-1 (4" in 2.5" out).
Originally posted by JCotton
Thats a pretty impressive response Noclue........ I mean Nojug..... or whatever you go by.
Not to stir the pot even more but the guy I bought my 85 GN from went thru 2 te62's bought from Turbonetics thru you.One in 5 minutes and another within 500 miles of driving.
Then again early te62's had lots of troubles no matter the manufactuer.This was almost 5 years ago....
My next turbo purchase is definetely gonna be a BB from Jack though
I love it when a guy that has barely even touched the 10's talks about how someone running in the 8's should be faster. It is particularly funny when the guy's own car is at least a full second off what it should be running.
I ran a Turbonetics 70Q-BB all of last year and went low 10's the whole year with it. 10.18 @ 133 at Norwalk. Now this is a full weight, stock block, iron headed TSM car (3600 lbs.).
Never once had a turbo problem even though that particular turbo was used before I got it and still worked like a champ a year later when I sold it. n fact he gy I sold it to went 130+ his 1st or 2nd pass wth it. It is still running like a champ today. I now run a Super T-70 QBB. The turbonetics turbos I have run have worked flawlessly and lasted as well as any I have run. Most importanly, I know that Jack stands behind what he sells.
I remember a year or two back when multiple people were melting the exhaust wheels on PTE's 50 series and from what I have read, he didn't stand behind any of them. Maybe ask Red's Hot Air for more details.
Anyhow that is my .02 for what it is worth.
Sully
What did not get mentioned in the article is that 70p trim is the turbo i ran 9.9 with in 02. I don't mean my turbo was like that one, I mean i yanked the turbo off of my car and sent it to Cal to test on Louis car. I had really masaged the housings on that turbo. When they tested that turbo they said they thought it was going to make the most HP just based off of how the car sounded but when they dynoed it the real story was told. I have since switched to a PTE-70GTQ ported shroud. Not because this is the exact turbo i wanted but because some guy owed me some money and gave me the turbo instead. When i got the new turbo the exhaust housing was not machined correctly. Craig machined me a custom PTE exhaust housing for it. It sure turned out good.
I do not have any experience with jacks turbo's. Manual Bogosnia from the west coast personally told me that he switched from a 70Q trim to a 70Q BB and it was a significant power gain. This guy has run low 9's quite a few years ago with this turbo. I trust his opinion so there has to be something to the BB deal.
