87 T-Type V8

["Turbo-T"]

my fault, just a key stroke error. It should have read 2.14 a d it came with a 250 turbo trans with a lock up. It now has a 350 turbo with no lockup that has a mild shift kit. That car is my low low. It has hydraulics on it. No computer either, all has been stripped out. I put a holley 670 truck avenger on it. They won't stall out when you hop the car lol

So is your car a factory 305 Chevy car or a factory 307 Olds? Bet if it's a 305 it has to be a major pooch...drove a guys 84 Cutlass once that he swapped out the 307 Olds for a 350 Chevy, talk about being a dog...and he couldn't figure out why you could run faster than it could take off.

 

[LITLV6]

So is your car a factory 305 Chevy car or a factory 307 Olds? Bet if it's a 305 it has to be a major pooch...drove a guys 84 Cutlass once that he swapped out the 307 Olds for a 350 Chevy, talk about being a dog...and he couldn't figure out why you could run faster than it could take off.

Actually its runs fairly well (especially considering it weighs 4600lbs! "Hydraulics") yes its a factory 305. with no emissions, the Holley, a decent Cam, The Trans, and the Flowmasters and K&N, it actually isnt too bad. i almost swapped a 7.5 with 2.73's with a limited slip from a pre 80 Monte but ended up sellin the Rear end. that would've spruced her up a bit i bet.

In my sig. below you'll see the K-5. if i dont put the rust free body on it that own i may just gut the GM crate 350 HD out of it and change cams again and make her run. :biggrin: she's rustin at the seems and i have most of everything to make her well again but no time to finish it. the GN, and the Grand Prix take up more of my time than i have anyway. lol

 

[GW2]

I had a page i found about 10 years back that gave the exact production numbers of the regals (grand national, turbo t-type, v8 t-type, ect.) which i can't find at the moment but this wikipedia clip should give a little more clarity.

The T-Type logo consisted of a large red letter "T", and the word "Type" in small black or white letters. The emblems were only placed on the fenders and on some later models (1986) a grille emblem was used. The single T was only used on the turbo Regals and only in 1987. Originally the T-type name was to be an appearance package and used across the line (which it did) but was confused by the turbo Regal when the 3.8 turbo motor could be ordered with the T-type package. In 1987 Buick dropped the T-Type package on the Regal. All turbo Regals in 1987 came with the Y56 T package and have a T badge on the fenders and on the horn button. This T package is often erroneously thought to designate the Turbo T package, which is solely the WE4 Regal.

Here's one that sold and was a t-type package with the 307 v8 and theres pictures to prove it.

1987 Buick Regal (#1134) : Classic Car Chronicles : AutoBarn Classic Cars

no the WE4's were WE4's. turbo T's were 87 turbo regals. I cant say 100% im correct on this but Why would a WE4 be called a turbo T when its called a WE4 and has WE4 plastered all over it.

 

[usetaboost]

no the WE4's were WE4's. turbo T's were 87 turbo regals. I cant say 100% im correct on this but Why would a WE4 be called a turbo T when its called a WE4 and has WE4 plastered all over it.

This has been discussed many times. Let me save you a search. The WE4 is a OPTION PACKAGE to order a turbo t. The we4 itself is/was called the 87 turbo T. I know this because it is on my title and I have seen the dealer brochure. All other turbo regals, besides grand nationals, are regular regals with the lc2 with corresponded with the "T" package that was mandatory with it. The "T" package was a handling and suspension package. It could be had on ANY 87 regal. This is why there are 87 turbo limiteds and base regal TRs, which are still "run-of-the-mill" cars according to the titles.

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

The V8 T-Type is rarest of the Regal body line.

 

[Pittsburghkid]

The V8 T-Type is rarest of the Regal body line.

I may be wrong but i think the rarest is actually the Non-Turbo 3.8l T-Type. I'm still looking for those production numbers but this might clarify some other stuff.

1987 Buick Turbo Regal?

"At the risk of ruffling feathers of some, I'll try and clarify the "Turbo T" package as Buick marketed it in 1987. Despite Buick dropping the T-Type designation for 1987, all the cosmetic and suspension options common to the T-Type were made available for any 1987 Regal with the standard 3.8-Liter V6. They did this by offering a "T" Package (option code Y56). This "T" Package consisted of the Touring Suspension; Leather wrapped Sport Steering Wheel, Turbo aluminum wheels, Eagle GT Tires, Fast Ratio Power Steering, Gas Shocks, and "T" ornamentation. For those who also wanted the black trim from the previous T-Type model, Buick offered the Exterior Sport Package (option code WO2). The WO2 option was available on any Regal, regardless of the engine.

Now, if you wanted a Regal with a turbo engine, you ordered the "Turbo Package" (option LC2). This package automatically included the "T" package (but not the WO2 Package). What you ended up with was a Regal with the "Turbo" and "T" Packages. Many have chose to call these cars "Turbo T's". However, no where in Buick's literature was there ever any mention of the term "Turbo T" until Buick released Product Information Bulletin 87-031 on November 15, 1986 entitled "Regal WE4 Turbo "T" Package. This bulletin announced the release of the WE4 as a "Special Turbo T Package" and made numerous references to the term Turbo T as unique to the WE4. Here is a direct quote from this bulletin: "The WE4 Turbo 'T' Package will enable you to merchandise a car that is similar in appearance, and yet lighter in weight, than today's Grand National. This reduction in weight theoretically makes the Turbo T faster than a Grand National, and for a lower price."

So, a 1987 Turbo Regal, without the WE2, Grand National or WE4 Turbo T option packages, really had no unique name. It was merely a Regal with the Turbo Package or a Turbo Regal, if you will. Now, having said all that, it certainly is no great sin to call a Turbo Regal a "Turbo T" because it's convenient to do so. It's just not technically correct." --RK

- This text was taken from a post from Turbo Buick list member Ray Kammer on December 25, 1998. It is probably the best (long) explanation of the "T" signification.

 

[supercrackerbox]

The V8 T-Type is rarest of the Regal body line.

As an owner of multiple Shelby Dodge cars past and present, I can attest that rare does not always equal valuable.

 

[usetaboost]

As an owner of multiple Shelby Dodge cars past and present, I can attest that rare does not always equal valuable.

That's true. My camaro was midnight metallic blue, only available that year and was a 1/2 yr run, no one cared:frown: because it was a camaro

 

[turbofish38]

You sure about this? What trans did you get? My understanding a 305 would not work well with a 2.19 gear not to mention I've never heard of a 2.19. I know the Olds 307, which was a grunt engine could come with a 2.14 gear w/o overdrive and a 2.41 if overdrive was used. Does your engine have the oil filler tube up front?

Having been a GM parts guru for 30 years plus having spent a lot of my free time in the boneyards I can say that this is true. Actually a mid 80's G-Body with the "H" code 305 has a 2.29 ratio. GM did have a 2.19 but I've never seen one in person. Maybe a late 70's combination? Here's some standard gear ratios you can use as a general rule of thumb. This applies to most 82 and newer G-Bodies. Most engines offered an optional ratio. Usually the next gear up. For example the 231A had an optional 3.08. The only way you could get a 3 series code was to buy the performance model. For example MCSS or H/O-442.
231-VIN Code A=2.41
305-VIN Code H=2.29
307-VIN Code Y=2.56
4.3 V-6 VIN Code Z=2.73

 

[LITLV6]

Having been a GM parts guru for 30 years plus having spent a lot of my free time in the boneyards I can say that this is true. Actually a mid 80's G-Body with the "H" code 305 has a 2.29 ratio. GM did have a 2.19 but I've never seen one in person. Maybe a late 70's combination? Here's some standard gear ratios you can use as a general rule of thumb. This applies to most 82 and newer G-Bodies. Most engines offered an optional ratio. Usually the next gear up. For example the 231A had an optional 3.08. The only way you could get a 3 series code was to buy the performance model. For example MCSS or H/O-442.
231-VIN Code A=2.41
305-VIN Code H=2.29
307-VIN Code Y=2.56
4.3 V-6 VIN Code Z=2.73

that's the one! Lol it's been so long since I talked about it I guess I really forgotabout it thanks for the refresher

 

[gczarny]

The V8 T-Type is rarest of the Regal body line.

and the slowest too

 

[usetaboost]

Just wait til you drive a n/a v6 regal with a fair amount of options and steel EVERYTHING. That's slow. Only turns a tire over on WET pavement

 

[turbofish38]

The V8 T-Type is rarest of the Regal body line.

Not true! Somewhere I figured out the exact number of Regal with the 307,W02 Blackout Moldings and Y56 T Package but they aint exactly the rarest. IIRC it's between 1500 and 1800. As far as the 87 model year goes we all forget there was 547 GNX's and 1,035 Turbo Limiteds. I don't have the info handy but how I determined the exact number of 307 cars was by taking the total number of W02 cars and subtracting the number of LC2 powered Regals to come up with the figure. Look in one of the facts and figures books for those 2 figures.

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

Not true! Somewhere I figured out the exact number of Regal with the 307,W02 Blackout Moldings and Y56 T Package but they aint exactly the rarest. IIRC it's between 1500 and 1800. As far as the 87 model year goes we all forget there was 547 GNX's and 1,035 Turbo Limiteds. I don't have the info handy but how I determined the exact number of 307 cars was by taking the total number of W02 cars and subtracting the number of LC2 powered Regals to come up with the figure. Look in one of the facts and figures books for those 2 figures.

Something is wrong
The last time I looked it up (when Shane was modding one) and the number I found was in the low 400s
If I didn't have 2K subscriptions id look it up.

 

[usetaboost]

Not true! Somewhere I figured out the exact number of Regal with the 307,W02 Blackout Moldings and Y56 T Package but they aint exactly the rarest. IIRC it's between 1500 and 1800. As far as the 87 model year goes we all forget there was 547 GNX's and 1,035 Turbo Limiteds. I don't have the info handy but how I determined the exact number of 307 cars was by taking the total number of W02 cars and subtracting the number of LC2 powered Regals to come up with the figure. Look in one of the facts and figures books for those 2 figures.

The T package was also available on the n/a v6 also wasn't it? I thought I remember someone saying they had one once.

 

[LITLV6]

and the rarest GN was the 87 Lesabre Grand National non turbo. i think it was barely over 140 built. and if anyone knows the exacts i thought the 82 GN only had a couple hundred built. (i know the lesabre isnt a regal but its a neat fact) slow as brer rabbit mollasses on a cold winter day too though lol.

 

["Turbo-T"]

There were 215 of the '82 GN's built.

 

[usetaboost]

There were 215 of the '82 GN's built.

and as far as everyone knows there was what, 11 that were turbo?


I had a chance to get a lesabre GN. It was actually in decent shape, had a gajillion miles on it though. Could have had it for 800 bucks. Would have been sweet for a DD but I didn't want it to be a money pit. I already have a few of those.

 

[charlief1]

That's pretty much right but it was 17 T Type 82 GN's. Been reading up a little since I've got an 82 GN now.

 

[turbofish38]

Go over to Rich George's B4Black website. At last count there was at least 33 turbo'd 82 GN/SC's on the registry. I should know too. I rescued one of those 33 from the crusher.

Okay I found my numbers. According to Buick, they made 8,547 Regals with the Y56 "T" package. Subtract the LC2 cars from that figure and you have 1,697 307 V-8 powered 1987 Regal "T"s. And I think somewhere in the Dealer Order Manual it states that you could not order Y56 with the NA 3.8.