A car with no t-roofs or moonroof is called what?

[1989 TTA]

Guys, I am hoping someone can either set me straight or help me prove this guy wrong. This guy contacted me to possibly by his 70 mile TTA for $25K. He contacted ME! I told him I thought $25K was too much and a conversation began. I told him a HT TTA was worth that much with those miles but not a t-roof car. He didn't know what HT stood for so I told him Hard Top. He got back to me and said there was no such thing as a HT TTA, Pontiac didn't make HT's on these cars, they stopped making them in the 60's/70's. Now, keep in mind he claims to be a collector. So, I pasted an ad for a HT TTA for sale (twobryan's car from this site) and this is his response. Keep in mind his 62 mile car is a t-roof car from what I can tell. I did a little editing to put it on here, I am sure you will all get the point. So, a car without t-roofs is called????



You are f------ stupid, that is the TT/A Anniversary pace car edition. GM hasn't used the term HT on T/A's since the 70's. I will have to say without a doubt you are the biggest piece of s--- I have met via eBay and the car industry to date. That is the exact car I am selling so wow, per your vast knowledge of cars, guess my a never titled 62 mile TT/A is worth what I am asking, since in your mind it is a HT. Your loss, could have had the deal of the century for you, but instead you basically just Suck...........

CJ

PS - we are blocking you from our auctions and eMail, we have a policy about corresponding with dumb asses, we refuse to do it.

 

[Nasty Wendy]

That would be a Hard Top or Solid Roof.......you dork!

Obviously there was more to that conversation than you have posted.

 

[1989 TTA]

well, there really wasn't any more. He didn't know what HT TTA stood for. I explained it to him and he just kept telling me how stupid I am because there is no such thing as a HT TTA in 89. So I pasted twobryan's link of his TTA for sale and this was his response.

 

[j-lantern]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that in the "golden years" of car manufacturing, a hard top was a car where once the windows were rolled/put down, it was a clean line from the windshield pillar (unless there was a wing window, in which case it would be clean from that) all the way back to the rear quarter pillar. This would be the same type as a convertible. A "posted coupe" however, would be one with a pillar between the front and rear windows, either on the door or extending up from the quarter panel to the roof. My brother's 65 GTO was available as a convertible, a hardtop, and a posted coupe. The posted coupes were the rarest (supposedly) as they look less cool with the windows rolled down so fewer people ordered them. Now cars are made without the option, which may have been what dude was talking about. Around here I think the most common term is solid roof. Neither 3rd gen camaros nor G bodies had rear windows that rolled down, so in this understanding there would be no hardtops or posted coupe mess to worry about. Does this stuff ring a bell to anybody (preferably somebody alive/ordering cars in the 60's) or am I all wet?

 

[1989 TTA]

I am only 30 so this means nothing to me.

 

[Drew L]

Post a link for the ad. Drew

 

[2 QK 4 U]

j lantern is right!

I'm 23 and know this.

Back in the sixties the terms...

"hardtop" was used to describe a vehicle designed with no stationary support between big window and little window. (little window must be able to mechanically retract in the down position)

"Coupe" or "Post Coupe" is the term used to describe vehicles with a stationary support between big window and little window. (little window must be able to mechanically retract in the down position)

Take the late sixties Pontac GTO for example. There were Hardtops, Coupes, and Convertibles available.

There were very few "post coupe" made in 1967. However, the majority manufactured among that year were "hardtops" Making the "Coupe" more rare.

HTH, Jason

 

[2 QK 4 U]

I think our GN Titles say 2DR CPE (Two-door coupe) at least mine does.

 

[Gary Wells]

FWIW & IMHO: I have always referred to the non-t-top & non-moonroof tr's as hardtops.
Although the 50's and 60's might havbe been referred to as the "Golden age of Auto manufacturing", definitions established in that time-frame may not hold true for today's current manufacturing methods, policies, & trends.
And I think that the term was "The Golden Age of The automobile", and had more to do with styling trends that manufacturing.
I also would like to see the ad>

 

[2 QK 4 U]

Originally posted by Wells
FWIW & IMHO: I have always referred to the non-t-top & non-moonroof tr's as hardtops.
Although the 50's and 60's might havbe been referred to as the "Golden age of Auto manufacturing", definitions established in that time-frame may not hold true for today's current manufacturing methods, policies, & trends.
And I think that the term was "The Golden Age of The automobile", and had more to do with styling trends that manufacturing.
I also would like to see the ad>

Good Point Wells

 

[wagon]

Ah, some of you are wrong. The term used for solid roof cars with no post between the door windows, and the rear side windows wasn't "hardtop", it was "hardtop convertable." If it was just a convertable, then it had the rag top. But, since the TTAs don't have side rear windows, I don't know if any of these terms apply. Also, that had to do with rear side windows that rolled down. Who cares anyway? The seller sounds like a real mean man(or ignorant child).

 

[1989 TTA]

As far as I know he is a dealer. I don't have the ad because he contacted me so I don't even know where he came from. He saw that i had bid on another car on Ebay and sent me an email to buy his instead. So, I don't even has his full email address cuz it went thru Ebay. Technically, there could be a difference but am I stupid because I am using 80's terminology for an 80's car? Here is a thread that also refers to his car that he is selling as a hard top.


http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101072

 

[1989 TTA]

Here is an even better site breaking down the production #'s. They refer to them as hard tops too.


http://www.89tta.com/ttaspecs.htm#ProdFig

 

[2 QK 4 U]

Originally posted by wagon
Ah, some of you are wrong. The term used for solid roof cars with no post between the door windows, and the rear side windows wasn't "hardtop", it was "hardtop convertable." If it was just a convertable, then it had the rag top. But, since the TTAs don't have side rear windows, I don't know if any of these terms apply. Also, that had to do with rear side windows that rolled down. Who cares anyway? The seller sounds like a real mean man(or ignorant child).

I think we are certain the seller is a bit angry according to the response. However, I don't understand the logic described as "hardtop convertible" So would that mean it has a removable hardtop? If not, what is so convertible about it?

I wonder if the guy who bought this knew the difference http://www.northwestautosales.com/67redgtohardtop.HTM

This one describes the "hardtop" as a "Sport Coupe" which is incorrect. http://www.classicdreamcars.com/67turqgto.html

Here is where you'll find a random chose website that supports my previous thread concerning this topic http://www.hoigto.com/rons/prodfig.htm

...and another http://www.classicalpontiac.com/gto/

...and another http://www.classicalpontiac.com/qa7/display.cgi?number=48532&title=1967+GTO+Post+Coupe&

 

[John Larkin]

If you just call it a solid roof car, that should suffice. Doesn't sound like a nice guy to deal with anyhow.

 

[Mike_G]

Hmm lets see...... Would'nt a car with out T-tops or Astro roof Be considered " Limited" ?? <Grin >

Sorry could'nt help myself... From what you've told us I would'nt be dealing with him based on his keyboard attitude

 

[wagon]

Originally posted by 2 QK 4 U
I think we are certain the seller is a bit angry according to the response. However, I don't understand the logic described as "hardtop convertible" So would that mean it has a removable hardtop? If not, what is so convertible about it?

I wonder if the guy who bought this knew the difference http://www.northwestautosales.com/67redgtohardtop.HTM

This one describes the "hardtop" as a "Sport Coupe" which is incorrect. http://www.classicdreamcars.com/67turqgto.html

Here is where you'll find a random chose website that supports my previous thread concerning this topic http://www.hoigto.com/rons/prodfig.htm

...and another http://www.classicalpontiac.com/gto/

...and another http://www.classicalpontiac.com/qa7/display.cgi?number=48532&title=1967+GTO+Post+Coupe&

It is called a hardtop convertable, because the window configuration is the same as a convertable car, no post, but with the hard top. Convertables can't exactly have a post between the windows now can they?
And the removable hardtop would be called just that. A removable hardtop. Now let's not get into the old Ford Skyliner(I think that was it), with the retractable hard top. It gets way too confusing. It still doesn't matter, because the guy still isn't someone I would want to deal with. Not to mention, if he is searching out buyers on ebay, by contacting bidders on other cars, he sounds a little fishy.

Brian

 

[MeanBuicks]

Cool Buick History.

In 1949 Buick produced the two-door hardtop, an industry first. They did it again, when in 1955, Buick introduced the first four-door hardtop in the industry.