A preview of what you GN guys will see at the OK Ford/Buick shootout

[Andrew91GT]

Originally posted by 86brick
Here is a video for you and a preview of what's going to happen at shootout....

http://www.whiteracing.com/Videos/JerryMilan8-24-2004_Run2.mpg

That car recently ran 7.95 @177mph on a 10.5" tire weighing 3455lbs w/ driver.... Just a little 268ci twin turbo V6...

Don't know if he'll be at the shootout, but you better hope not

BTW, 8's on DRs is pretty damn impressive! Guy down here with a red Mustang named Mike Dees ran 8.29 @174mph last year at the World Street Nats running in the Radial Tire class.... You gonna bring your Stang to Orlando??

Man, he is hauling ass for sure... he'd put me in my place!

Mike Dees has a fast car! I'm thinking that it's going to take 7's to win orlando this year. I'm not going to make it there but I might go to Memphis for the outlaw drag radial shootout. We'll see.

I need a bigger turbo to go any faster... I put 50 psi of CO2 pressure on top of the wastegate and I can safely say this turbo is DONE!

 

[no-nos]

Originally posted by KEVINS
Hey Andrew!
I didn't know you harrassed the TB guys over here?..LOL.. You'll definitely put the hurt on some of these boys if they show up but let's see if any of them can put a dent in your ET, eh?

Good Luck and have fun eveyone!

ks

i know cal and his 8 sec. gn can but is he going? sweet stang btw

 

[Slo86GN]

Originally posted by ShouldofhadaV-8
If you're going to limit your "street" car to pump gas, that would slow down many of the Buicks out there, because it's no small secret that they use a lot of boost (over 14 lbs) to get their "advantage."

I dunno....My 87 GN had a best of 8.02 @ 92.1 in the 1/8...that was on pump gas, 16# boost, and BFG radial T/As....one of the few times I drove it to the track. On slicks with a splash of 112 and 17# it ran 7.28 @ 96......fully loaded with all options/accessories intact. It was too much fun going to the track on radials and beating up on tubbed, caged V8 race cars who probably weighed a LOT less than my GN did. On the night I ran the regular radials, had a lot of shocked people when they realized I wasn't on slicks. They couldn't believe I was running that good on a true street radial tire. Heck, my 86 had a best of 8.26 @ 86 on pump gas, radials, and 16# boost...it was a basic bolt on car too. So thinking a Buick needs race gas to gain an advantage isn't always true......just a matter of the combo you have.

I've had all kinds of Mustangs over the years and know what.....only one of them could touch either of my GNs, and it was far, far removed from stock. Only other Ford I ever owned that would come close was my 93 Lightning and it was far from stock as well. I love banging gears in a Stang as much as anyone, but will always have a soft spot for that rush you get from a turbo Buick under full boost. If I could afford another Buick right now, I would sell the mint 93 LX hatch I have now and buy another.

 

[KEVINS]

Originally posted by Andrew91GT
I ran 8.94 @ 159 on the rev limiter for the last 100 feet last weekend. 60' time was 1.55

Oh yeah... I was at 3306# (much heavier than I'll be at the shootout).

And one more thing... THAT PASS WAS ON DRAG RADIALS!!!!

Y'all scared yet?

Yes, I'm coming out on slicks.

Maybe with a taller slick you can get thru the 1/4 w/o over revving? Or run the 315 DR's at the Outlaw gathering?

Kick A$$ Andrew!

ks

 

[Andrew91GT]

Originally posted by KEVINS
Maybe with a taller slick you can get thru the 1/4 w/o over revving? Or run the 315 DR's at the Outlaw gathering?

Kick A$$ Andrew!

ks

I think with 28 x 10.5 slicks I'll be able to make it through the 1/4... a little taller tire + tire growth.
I'm not sure that I can fit a 315 in my car at all. I haven't minitubbed it yet, and fender - tire clearance
is at a premium as it sits.

Here's a vid from last weekend:

http://www.yerot.com/~aweil/movies/andrew6ffw04.wmv

 

[ShouldofhadaV-8]

Originally posted by Slo86GN
I dunno....My 87 GN had a best of 8.02 @ 92.1 in the 1/8...that was on pump gas, 16# boost, and BFG radial T/As....one of the few times I drove it to the track. On slicks with a splash of 112 and 17# it ran 7.28 @ 96......fully loaded with all options/accessories intact. It was too much fun going to the track on radials and beating up on tubbed, caged V8 race cars who probably weighed a LOT less than my GN did. On the night I ran the regular radials, had a lot of shocked people when they realized I wasn't on slicks. They couldn't believe I was running that good on a true street radial tire. Heck, my 86 had a best of 8.26 @ 86 on pump gas, radials, and 16# boost...it was a basic bolt on car too. So thinking a Buick needs race gas to gain an advantage isn't always true......just a matter of the combo you have.

I've had all kinds of Mustangs over the years and know what.....only one of them could touch either of my GNs, and it was far, far removed from stock. Only other Ford I ever owned that would come close was my 93 Lightning and it was far from stock as well. I love banging gears in a Stang as much as anyone, but will always have a soft spot for that rush you get from a turbo Buick under full boost. If I could afford another Buick right now, I would sell the mint 93 LX hatch I have now and buy another.

I get what you're saying, but I think you're missing your own point. It's the rush of the turbo spooling up that you like. It really wouldn't make much of a difference whether it was installed on a Buick, Mustang, Camaro, Supra (or pick your favorite). The only difference between a Buick and anything else is strictly choice. As for Fords keeping up with your Buick, I think you know better than that. Your 8.02 works out to mid 12's. Back in the 80's, we were running around with 302's with hydraulic cam, ported stock heads, intake, carb and headers and running 12.0's on pump gas without any power adders. It's just a matter of how well you know how to make stuff run, I guess.
I probably sound like a tape recorder by now, but there is no magic in Buick. The turbo, perhaps. It's all a matter of displacement, airflow and boost. Brand doesn't matter. Would you like your Buick as much, less or more if GM put a 455 with a turbo under the hood? I hope your answer was "more."

 

[Drac0nic]

Originally posted by ShouldofhadaV-8
Back in the 80's, we were running around with 302's with hydraulic cam, ported stock heads, intake, carb and headers and running 12.0's on pump gas without any power adders.

*shrug* I hate to bring points up here, but I would like to point out that head work, intake work a new carb headers and a cam is a good bit of work and money. Comparing a worked vehicle like that to a bone stock V6 is apples and oranges, afterall if one had mods like a set of ported heads and intake, a cam and other stuff that's useful on a turbo motor they'd make a lot more power with a stock car at a higher boost. You're right that an engine's an engine, so keep the double standards to a minimum.

 

[marleyskater420]

Originally posted by ShouldofhadaV-8
It's just a matter of how well you know how to make stuff run, I guess.
I probably sound like a tape recorder by now, but there is no magic in Buick. The turbo, perhaps. It's all a matter of displacement, airflow and boost. Brand doesn't matter. Would you like your Buick as much, less or more if GM put a 455 with a turbo under the hood? I hope your answer was "more."

If its a matter of how well you know how to make stuff run, then why are there 3.0l engines running 6's off a turbo, and I dont see too many stangs running 6's at all, turbo or not. So by what you said, you're saying mustang owners can't make stuff run?

I bet with the same time and money you put into your 5.0 to make it run 12's, the GN's could have done it just as well.

How is displacement a factor if we can keep up with you, yet you have 1.2 more litres of displacment? And it doesn't matter if we have a turbo or not, because there is turbo'd stangs that arent as fast as GN's or Turbo T's. And visa versa.

Personally I don't know how I'd feel if I had a BB under the hood, I like the lightness a 231 gives. Personaly opinion, nothing more.

I'm not trying to be rude, but Im just showing you some points on the flipside of what you said.

I have a random question= do 5.0 owners resent the cobra owners because they are faster stock, or do you guys get along real well.

 

[ShouldofhadaV-8]

marleyskater420

Rather than argue with your brand specific infatuation, I would suggest you get out of the house a little more and go to some races. There are plenty of 6 second Chevys and Fords. The 6 second Celica you are referring to is haulin @ss. Again, it's not about the brand....it's power to weight.

5.0 owners admire the Cobras, and most wish they could have one.

 

[ShouldofhadaV-8]

Originally posted by Drac0nic
*shrug* I hate to bring points up here, but I would like to point out that head work, intake work a new carb headers and a cam is a good bit of work and money. Comparing a worked vehicle like that to a bone stock V6 is apples and oranges, afterall if one had mods like a set of ported heads and intake, a cam and other stuff that's useful on a turbo motor they'd make a lot more power with a stock car at a higher boost. You're right that an engine's an engine, so keep the double standards to a minimum.

Stock heads, ported by us for free. All combined, for less than $1k we were running 12.0's. Bone stock v-6 came with a power adder which increases effective displacement. No double standards here. You need to recognize that back in the 80's, the Buick was not the only game in town. Besides, those same 5.0's, with a 150 shot of nitrous were going 10.80's at 127 MPH through the mufflers. How's that for comparing power adders?

 

[salvageV6]

Once or twice maybe, then they ended up as hood ornaments on a Nissan Sentra.

Boneyards are full of Ferds....

BOOM! There goes another one....

 

[ShouldofhadaV-8]

Originally posted by salvageV6
Once or twice maybe, then they ended up as hood ornaments on a Nissan Sentra.

Boneyards are full of Ferds....

BOOM! There goes another one....

Last time I was at a junk yard, there were lots of Regals lined up in the row behind the Fords. But, with a name like "Salvage" V6, I'm sure you've been in a junk yard much more recently than I have.

 

[salvageV6]

Nope, nice try troll.

My car took out a Ferd Lincoln the great FWD version.

It's in the yard with the other scrap Ferds.

Very tinny cars but hey you already know that.

 

[ShouldofhadaV-8]

Originally posted by salvageV6
Nope, nice try troll.

My car took out a Ferd Lincoln the great FWD version.

It's in the yard with the other scrap Ferds.

Very tinny cars but hey you already know that.

No need to be insulting....you're now letting your true colors show. Bet you don't have many friends.

 

[turbocody]

i'm going to Noble to kick some Fords Ass.lol it's going to be fun. see ya there!

 

[86brick]

Can't we all just get along??!

I like Buicks, but I gotta say there's nothing wrong with Fords.... Check out Tim Stockwell's Mustang (Yup the same Tim that had a white TR that ran high 10's on a stock longblock).....

http://www.5litermustang.com/

This car is pretty damn impressive IMO! If I were to own a Ford it would have to be an older trunk car (LX coupe) just like Tim's (although mine would still have A/C considering it's too fuggin hot down here) because I love that clean body style and the fact of the matter is getting them to weigh 3000lbs (or even lighter) is a piece of cake from what I've seen! Mine would probably end up with a turbo or 2 for obvious reasons

BTW Salvage, Greg (ShouldofhadaV-8) is just stirring the pot... He's not a complete troll cause I have seen him run his Stang at our local track (it runs okay) He's a nice guy in my book (from talking to him at the track) and could be a lot worse on here

 

[salvageV6]

Ok.

 

[RobsIron]

Bottom Line: NOTHING has a Bad Azz rep like TRs. GNs Drip Tons of Attitude.


Oh Yeah, Just ran up to the store for a sec. Saw about 30 Mustangs on the way.

 

[86brick]

Originally posted by salvageV6
Ok.

As you can see on this website...

www.warperformance.com

Greg has a few friends with Buicks although for some reason I don't see his buddy Keith (Rebal T) on that website with his car....

A group of guys with Fords and Buicks that are actually friends This is one reason that I still think peace in the middle east is possible!

 

[marleyskater420]

Re: marleyskater420

Originally posted by ShouldofhadaV-8
Rather than argue with your brand specific infatuation, I would suggest you get out of the house a little more and go to some races. There are plenty of 6 second Chevys and Fords. The 6 second Celica you are referring to is haulin @ss. Again, it's not about the brand....it's power to weight.

5.0 owners admire the Cobras, and most wish they could have one.

Thanks for your response. I was just curious.

I do apologize for my brand infatuation. If I came off rude I did not mean to.