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Maltman

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I'm still running stock heads and a stock manifold. I'd like to keep the steels for now (cheaper) and I'm going to pull the heads anyway to replace the head gaskets.

I'm wondering what I should get for head gaskets (does it even matter) and what are some good flow numbers so I can compare with what comes back from the benchflow?

Also, is there any benefit besides cosmetic concerning grinding down the egr tower??? I'd consider it if there is, but otherwise I already have it blocked off.

Thanks for any input on this guys,

Mark
 
Should've been more clear....I'm pulling the heads to have them ported since I have everything stripped down from the recent AC delete. I didn't do this when I should've (after the rebuild).

So, I'm not replacing the head gasket for fun, but I don't think it is a good idea to reuse it. Can't remember what gasket was used in the rebuild, but I wanted to see what options there are regardless.

Speed last time I went to track was about 11.9 @ about 108....something weird with computer and odd 02 readings (from zero to low 400s, some 800s, all over the place). Thought it was bad O2 sensors, but not the case after multiple attempts to get it fixed. So, I'm thinking the car should be doing more than it did then.

I screwed up the website I had with all the mods and such...but if you follow the following link and open the maltman182 folder, then open the buick folder....then you should be able to navigate to mods...not sure what I did.

http://webpages.charter.net/maltman182

Mark
 
I would not bother, you should be able to get about 119-121 mph with bone stock heads and good valve springs......you have a way to go yet.
 
Hmmm...so my mods aren't being tapped for their full potential then? I knew it had some gliches, but I didn't think I was 10 mph off :(

I don't know what I'm missing with this thing. If you look at those tlink files you can see some of those "gliches" that I was talking about. I grounded, rewired, replaced parts....everything I could think of that might be causing the problems....but I thought it was minor at worst.

Sounds like I'm not getting what I should be getting out of my setup then! I guess this just adds to the frustration.

....nevermind about the tlink files...just looked and saw that the links aren't on the site anymore. Let me know if they might help and I can email them.
 
getting rid of the egr tower gets rid of the partial blockage at the front 2 cylinders. Helps keep each cylinder equal flow wise.
 
You want to know how to port? If thats the case, just buy some CNC'd champions. Seriously. The heads on your car shouldnt be the test bed for your first port job. It takes experience, fluids knowledge and the steady hand of a surgeon to do it right. If you want some advise to tell the porter,....if he needs advise, he shouldnt be your porter. But i'll throw a few tips anyway. Raise the roof of the runner to the gasket. Clean the flash off the floor, and leave it lumpy. A slightly lumpy surface flows better than a polished one. Look at a golf ball. Its designed that way for a reason. Deepen the valve pocket, and make sure the roof of the runner transitions perfectly into the bowl without hitting a bump or going into a pit first. If the runner curves, remove material from the short side of that curve, because the long side has very low velocity, and you'll make it worse if you remove material. Just remove flash from the long side. Make sure the radius of curvature is consistent as it sweeps around the rim of the bowl. Its best to leave this work up to a knowledgable guy with a Serdi seat cutter. The part of the guide that sticks into the runner...if it sticks out more than stock, cut it down to the stock position, or a little past that. Then cut all the surrounding iron into an airfoil around the guide. Make the transition of the runner floor into the valve pocket as smooth as possible. There are usually lips on that short side curve. Remove them and make that curve smooth with no disruptions in the radius. Have the serdi guy use a performance cut for the seats...the one that uses a curve instead of an angle on the bottom cut, instead of the typical 60 degree cut. If you look at Honda heads, (they flow VERY well for what they are), you'll see they pretty much have no material past the 45. This creates a very large valve pocket. You can copy this, but you have to worry about available meat...you dont want to poke through into a water jacket. Thats why I recomment the Serdi performance cut. It creates a little venturi instead of a gaping pocket with no velocity. If you want your valves to seal REALLY well, you want them to break in really well. You do that by cutting a small interference angle. The seat should be 45 degrees, and the valve should be 44.5. The valves will NOT leak if you do this. You cut the seat and the valve. then stick the valve into the guide, and smack the valve against the seat several times, then pull the valve out and look at the witness line that was just made on the valve face. It should about 1-1.5mm away from the outer edge, and the line should NOT be chattered. It needs to be a solid line all the way around. If the line is chattered, you have a problem with the valve grinder stone. Now if you want to flow really well at low lifts, have the shop cut the 45 degree angle almost completely gone with a 30 degree angle. Then cut the 44.5 angle, and then a 15. This will give you about another 15-20cfm at low lifts.
Also, do NOT let the shop knurl your guides to make them "like new". Thats BS. Your guides will last about 5 minutes after you fire it up. Have them put in NEW, IRON guides before they cut the seats.
Then of course make sure the spring pressures are all good, the head is decked square....all the obligatory ****.
 
get some junk yard heads - even some v8 heads for practice. of course it is a very good idea to get some 3.8 heads to do some learning but it takes the proper tools AND lots of grinder experience; hense the surgeon comment above.
 
No way...I don't plan on trying to port these myself. I just didn't know if it was worth it. Either way, thanks for the nice outline Vader....but I don't think I dare mess with my stuff (yet). :)

All I really want to know is if there is any particular headgasket/intake gasket that is preferred over others so I give the porting guy the right stuff. I don't want to spend any big $$ right now on heads, so I thought I'd just max out what I have (unless it doesn't make a difference).

Thanks guys,

Mark
 
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