Alcohol/Nitromethane injection...?

[Adam Connell]

Well... Being the nutjob I am I put 2 and 2 together... I was playing with my R/C car and read the fuel bottle... 20% Nitromethane, 70% Methanol, 10% Lubricant.... Hmmmm Well the lowest lubricant you can get is 10%, but the nitro content can vary from 10%-65%.... So before you shoot me down as a nut hear me out!

So, Methanol injection not only cools the charge, but the methanol also boost the gasoline's octane rating(alcohol=around 120+ octane)... Well Nitromethane in moderation also has a stabilizing effect on the charge. A 90/10 alky to nitro mix is incredibly stable and can be run in VERY extreme engines(like 25:1 r/c care engines... .21ci puts out 3HP!)... Now I doubt it would be as simple as dropping in a quart of r/c car fuel and hitting the road, but with some tuning I wonder if there would be any effects? You would need to add more alky/nitro into the charge because alcohol and nitromethan both have significantly less energy per unit(alcohol has 1/2 the energy potential per untit gasoline dose, and nitromethane has even less).

So what do you guys think? Crank up the alky/nitro mix, and possibly see a gain, or am I grasping at straws? Also, the guys as Conleys didnt laugh at me when I mentioned this, they said a customer with a cobra has tried it an said it spiced up his ride quite a bit... now they may have been just bull****ting with me(I just signed a huge check to them), but what do yall think?

 

[Razor]

The RC stuff has oil.. oil is a bad thing.

Why dont you work on getting the car fast, "then" play chemist

 

[TurboBuRick]

O well

 

[Adam Connell]

Hmmmm... well a fast car always helps! lol I just got the car... I usually think way ahead of what my wallet allows!

So what if I were to tell you that I used to work at a shop that made it's own fuel and I would be able to get my hands on just alky/nitro *no oil* brew? Any gains there?

 

[Razor]

Try it and let us know

 

[Adam Connell]

How adjustable is your kit? I doubt I would go any higher than 10% nitro, but I would need to pull more fuel out and put more alky/nitro in than with regular methanol. I might play with it when I get a bit deeper into this car. I still have a lot to learn about playing with these cars, but I try to learn quick and be innovative!

 

[Razor]

It will support any modification you can think of octane wise.

As far as adjustability, fully adjustable. Changes to set, ramp, and slope can be done. On the Buick its plug and play.

See its like this, tonite my car ran 6.74 at 104.83 1/8 mile on pump gas and drag radials. If I need more kick.. I can turn the boost up and not need to see how chemicals work. If the detonation is nill.. you need more power.. you have the rite car .. cuase its all a function of tuning and boost.

Its the same with nitrous... you want more.. put a bigger pill.. its a figured out deal.

Power will have detonation consequences on these engines. Always has, always will. Trick is to learn how to cram 12 lbs of XXXX into a 2 lb bag and not break the bag .

2 lb bag is your motor. 12 lbs is the pressure your subjecting it to.

There comes a time you can max out your turbo.. once your at that point and dont want to change turbo's.. comes the point of creating ideas. Nitrous is an easy one. Nitrous=bigger turbo.

But you better be on your game tuning wise.

 

[Adam Connell]

Hmmm your right, the nitro would be a pain in the ass...Well your kit is #3 on my mods wish list so hopefully I will be ordering it from you in the next few months!

 

[VadersV6]

If you want to play chemist, try replacing the alky in the tank with Xylene. I have another thread that links to another page which shows all the numbers for different fuels. Seems like xylene's octane is so high that you may be able to reduce the amount of spray to get the same results. Then richen up the WOT fuel to make up for the reduced fuel (since alky is substituting for a certain percentage of your total fuel supply). I just wonder if Xylene would kill the pump or melt the bottle. My Alky injection kit is hanging by a thread so Im not planning on trying this out yet on my car.
I wouldnt play with the liquid atom bomb on my car if I were you (Nitro).