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BlackoutDrunk

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I am thinking (only thinking at this point) about running in the real street drags here in the Chicago area and the class one rules state that inter cooled cars cannot inject methanol or alky. I did some reading and found that years back people used to inject straight water or at least from my reading I got the idea they injected straight water. Does anyone have experience with straight water injection and is it worth it? I know it would not be nearly as good as alky but if it helps cool the charge...
 
You have to run much smaller jets, and high pressure. Then watch your knock activity and tune away. Will it work, sure.. but dont expect the "alky" miracle of easy. And you will not be able to get away with the boost levels we do with the methanol kits.

I will say if you can run 15 PSI on 93, you can get 20-21 on water if you play with it enough. Not really a whole lot, but something is something.

Your at a Huge disadvantage on those rules if you dont have the cubes. A 572 BBC with a pair of 60 mm turbo's will eat you up and spit you out at 10 PSI on 87 octane.

Thats why I dont get involved. As the weight and displacement rules are not in a heavy V6's favor.
 
I was just looking at going to the track and having some fun. I know I wouldn't be very competitive. I don't even have a big turbo on my car. ;) Thanks for the answer though. I was just curious.
 
The only advantage of using water is it does not effect the a/f ratio as methanol does. The more methanol the more your guessing what a/f ratio to run. The timing has to be advanced and the a/f leaner like 12.5 :1 to make lots of power on h20. Sounds a bit scary, seems meth is more safer up to a point if you get the a/f dialed in ,but if you get carried away you will be in trouble just the same. Water doesn't burn it vaporizes to steam, add too much you'll slow down in a hurry.

Here is some info i found on it.

Research carried out during World War II indicated that pure water is best at suppressing detonation, while a 50/50 mixture of water and methanol permits the greatest power output before detonation occurs.
If water injection is used without any changes made to the tuning of the engine, improvements in power are possible but not probable. However, if the engine air/fuel ratio is leaned out, or boost is increased, or the ignition timing is advanced, more power is very likely. Supercharged aircraft engines using water injection had mechanisms that leaned out the air/fuel ratio simultaneously with the operation of the water injection. Testing on aircraft engines indicates that the mass of water required to suppress detonation is 20-30 per cent of the weight of the total liquid charge (that is, the water plus the fuel) being consumed. It is important to Distribute the water equally to each cylinder so some cylinders don't detontate before others.
 
Thanks for the info norbs. I'm not sure I like the idea of leaning out the mix while attempting to tune with water. The water thing was something I became interested in when I read the class rules for a particular event.
 
In world war 2, planes had this thing called WEP (War Emergency Power). Basically they had water injection kits that they would use (would only last about 3-4 minutes) to cool the intake charge and hence make more power. They used it in a dog fight situation or in cases where dive bombers needed to climb at an increased rate in order to get away as quick as possible.

;)
 
Dont think you can run this type of fuel in the "Pump Gas Drags"



no you cant...thats why im paying close attention to this thread....Pump gas drags only allows water....so i have to do some research and testing on the car before may.
 
no you cant...thats why im paying close attention to this thread....Pump gas drags only allows water....so i have to do some research and testing on the car before may.

Exactly. Class favors large displacement engines. With boost you can make a small motor huge.. but its going to need octane or a huge weight break.
 
I don't want to give you false hope.... but a friend used to have a 280ZX when they first came out.... ... like '79? .... he spent the summer with Corky Bell to put the first turbo kit on a z car.... they did.... he ran a rayjay turbo... no wastegate.... no intercooler...and a Holly fuel pump pumping pure water into the inlet of the turbo I think....not real sure where they injected it (I can find out... as I still keep up with this guy).... anyway... it made 330 RWHP on 30 psi boost on pump gas..... with nothing but water injection. .... car was a stick car too.... he said it was a handfull on the street. Over the next few years.... he melted several sets of pistons... because his pump would quit working.... he said the little vanes would rust/corode... and it would just quit.... 30 psi boost and the water pump quit.... melt city..... he used to joke the high dollar pistons would melt just as fast as stockers when that pump would quit....

I guess he got away with 30 psi because the compression ratio was sooooooo low.... anyway... he said it was some kind of fun to drive...
 
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