Attn Fjm568

[BuickTV6]

Hey man, do you have any pics of your car that I would be able to see? I would really like to see what your setup looks like, as it sounds like an intriguing project and id like to see pics if you have any If you do, please send them to highpsi@hotmail.com. Thanks in advance

 

[FJM568]

you've got mail...

Not very good quality, since it is a scan of a printout on paper of the pics...But you'll get the idea...

 

[mike85gn]

Originally posted by FJM568
you've got mail...

Not very good quality, since it is a scan of a printout on paper of the pics...But you'll get the idea...

Hey, I would like to see them as well! It might really help with my current project, and anything that makes me think less is a good thing!

 

[FJM568]

Mike, sent it to your email addy in your profile... the scorched62@shaw.ca address...

heheh...It's going to be slightly different when it finally gets back together...I'm still doing some minor mods to it...Relocating some stuff a little bit, etc...Just generally trying to make it easier to work on...

 

[BuickTV6]

I'm a loser!

Hey FJM568. I sent you the incorrect e-mail address. The correct address is highpsi85@hotmail.com
Could you send them again plz? Or mike if you got them could you send them to the same address? thanks!

 

[mike85gn]

Originally posted by FJM568
Mike, sent it to your email addy in your profile... the scorched62@shaw.ca address...

heheh...It's going to be slightly different when it finally gets back together...I'm still doing some minor mods to it...Relocating some stuff a little bit, etc...Just generally trying to make it easier to work on...

Hey! That is really cool! Is that an '86/'87 intake with some wierd plenum bolted on it? That would flow a lot better than the stocker. I'll see what I can do, but it definately gives me some more ideas to think about. Good work!

 

[cwmccray]

FJM568, I THINK YOU HAVE STARTED SOMETHING WITH YOUR INTAKE. I GOT A 86-87 INTAKE FROM A FRIEND OF MINE AND HAVE PUT IT NEXT TO A 84-85 INTAKE. WITH THE DOG HOUSE REMOVED, THE INTAKE SITS LOW. I LOVE YOUR INNOVATIVE ADAPTER. I AM CONSIDERING A HOT AIR VERSION BY TURNING THA ADAPTER BACK TO THE TURBO AND CONNECT WITH 2 CLAMPS AND SILICONE HOSE. THIS IS GOT TO BETTER THAN THE HOT AIR INTAKE. I AM WORKING ON A COUPLE OF DRAWINGS, AS SOON AS I CAN SCAN THEM, I WILL EMAIL OR POST TO THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE THEM.

CHUCK

 

[FJM568]

Okay...Has everyone received their pics of my setup!??!?!? BuickTV6, has anyone resent them to you???

IMO, there isn't enough room to use the 86/7 lower intake hot-air style...The entry point is too far to the front of the intake and would end up running the front cylinders way lean...There isn't a good enough airflow path to the rear two cyls if you run it that way...Not only that, it is a plumbing nightmare and all the little mods would drive you nuts...I was able to do it because I had access to a machine shop full of tools and equipment that would cost someone who would have to go to a machine shop a whole lot of money to have stuff made...Especially with the trial fittings and reworks that I had to do...Then, if you plan on running the 84/5 accessories on the front of the motor, everything has to be tweaked and relocated to get stuff to clear the 87 intake with the 84/5 accessories...Nothing fits like it used to and it's a PITA to work on...

Oh BTW, that wierd plenum is my custom upper plenum And the 87 lower intake still sits up a little too high for my liking, but to change that would require major machining and I just don't have the time or the access to the machinery needed to do that at my leisure(which I might add, I have a lot of right now ) The inlet tube on the plenum is about as far forward as I could go and that was barely enough room to allow the turbo to still fit on top of the motor...There are a lot of little mods that I had to do that I can't even remember half of them all right now...

Hate to try to discourage some of you, but it may look easy, but all the little things would nickel and dime you to death if you had to have a machine shop set up and machine stuff for ya...Depending on your area, for a hour's setup time and machining would likely run you about $50/hr today...That's even if the machine shop would touch a custom one-off job...Setup time and time spent with the customer while figuring out "EXACTLY" what they need runs into a lot of money...Then if the part don't fit and dimensions need to be changed, that's just more time and money down the drain...If you tell them what you want and they make it and it don't fit, it's not their problem...They made it the way you wanted it...Now if you need something a little different, then you gotta pay for it...

Don't know what else to say...but Good luck if you try it...

 

[FJM568]

Btw, BuickTV6, I have resent the pics to you...

 

[mike85gn]

Originally posted by FJM568
Hate to try to discourage some of you, but it may look easy, but all the little things would nickel and dime you to death if you had to have a machine shop set up and machine stuff for ya...Depending on your area, for a hour's setup time and machining would likely run you about $50/hr today...That's even if the machine shop would touch a custom one-off job...Setup time and time spent with the customer while figuring out "EXACTLY" what they need runs into a lot of money...Then if the part don't fit and dimensions need to be changed, that's just more time and money down the drain...If you tell them what you want and they make it and it don't fit, it's not their problem...They made it the way you wanted it...Now if you need something a little different, then you gotta pay for it...

Don't know what else to say...but Good luck if you try it...

I'm not discouraged! We're going to do the intake work ourselves and maybe make some changes here and there as Dad has full access to all of the equipment, the only thing I'm going to get done at a shop are the heads, but not let them assemble them. So we're hoping to do everything minus intercooler and heads for under $500, then do our customer work on the IC and get the heads done. Should be doable. I'd like to shave a solid 8/10ths for under a grand CDN ($650 US) all told. I think it's doable, but time will tell!

 

[TType84]

haha.. um..

WHERE WERE YOU GUYS TWO YEARS AGO?

did yall forget already?

this has already been discussed, IN DETAIL. it has been attempted twice, by mr. pictures, and by louie (yall remember him?)

the consensus is..
1. it is nearly impossible, the turbo is too far forward, etc etc etc... etc.

2. it is not worth it, because he made this on his own time, for you, it would cost most likely too much...

if i were yall, i wouldjust cut up a stock 84/85 intake and do the same thing, a la turbomotion.

jays best intake was an 84/85 intake "essentially" with the top and bottom cut off, the whole area made into an open space, and provisions welded on to mount a throttle body.

if you are really going to spend money to do this.. you might as well do it the best way you can.

 

[FJM568]

Yeah...What Nick said!!!

If I would've waited a little longer before I originally put mine together, I would've bought one of Jay's(TM's) V2's...

As I've said in the other post, I don't even know what the airflow distribution is like in my motor...I may be hurting my motor and not even knowing it...I may have a couple of cyls running really lean and others running rich...Without having an EGT in each port and running a FAST control system with individual inj pw control, I just don't know...It's not worth it, in my opinion...

The beauty of Jay's setup was that it was flowed and ported so that all the ports flowed as close as possible to be the same...All on a flowbench...Without a flowbench, you're flying blind...I also had some bugs that needed to be fixed in my chip...It was tweaked a little by Joe Lubrant when I made it down to BG for the NATS last year(2001)...He looked at my T-Link files and tweaked his calibrations some...And the driveability problems associated with running a big turbo and the TB in the stock 84/5 location is a PITA...You have to learn how to drive the car again...It is a night and day difference...Easing into the throttle to cure stumbles, easing out of the throttle at times to cure a stalling problem...The idle calibrations are a little different than the 86/7s due to the fact of the location of the TB...

If you think tuning a stock setup 84/5 is a bitch, then forget about ever having any hair left, because this setup does cause headaches and non-standard tuning problems that even have some of the guru's I've talked to scratching their head, wondering how to tweak something that they've not had a problem with before...

The car was only running for like 7 months/13k miles and has been sitting since like Oct/Nov 2001, because the weather sucked so bad earlier this year that I couldn't work on it outside...Then this summer it got so hot, so I didn't work on it...I'm finally getting it back together now and fixing some trouble spots that came up...

 

[TurboRegal84]

I was thinking about doing something like this, but as mentioned before...its just so hard.


After alot of thinking I just decided to take Lee Thompson's advice, and do what he did.


Don't cut the stock intake at all, just port and polish up the runners. There is ALOT of material that can be removed where to Turbo enters the intake.


I did this to my intake, and put it on with a set of ported heads, and you can really feel the difference in throttle response. The car pulls very hard in the higher gears.

 

[FJM568]

One thing that might be able to be done relatively inexpensively, is to get rid of the turbo to intake adapter...Have a tube that is the same od/id as the compressor outlet on the turbo tig welded to the intake after porting that intake inlet opening and then use a piece of IC hose and hose clamps to hook it to the intake...That would eliminate the bottleneck of the necked down adapter that was there from the factory...Just make sure that you have the height of the tube that would be tig welded to the intake right so it wouldn't sit too high...Have a lip machined into the top of it so that the hose/hose clamps won't be able to slip off or leak there...

Doing that and porting/gutting the intake will fix a lot and not have all the headaches/problems that a completely custom setup like mine does...

Be aware that the compressor housings for the 84/5s and the 86/7 style turbos have different compressor outlet designs, so you would have to take that into consideration when/if you do this...

 

[mike85gn]

Originally posted by TType84
haha.. um..

WHERE WERE YOU GUYS TWO YEARS AGO?

did yall forget already?

this has already been discussed, IN DETAIL. it has been attempted twice, by mr. pictures, and by louie (yall remember him?)

the consensus is..
1. it is nearly impossible, the turbo is too far forward, etc etc etc... etc.

2. it is not worth it, because he made this on his own time, for you, it would cost most likely too much...

if i were yall, i wouldjust cut up a stock 84/85 intake and do the same thing, a la turbomotion.

jays best intake was an 84/85 intake "essentially" with the top and bottom cut off, the whole area made into an open space, and provisions welded on to mount a throttle body.

if you are really going to spend money to do this.. you might as well do it the best way you can.

I was here for those discussions, but unlike some people, I have full access to machining equipment and machinists and the parts to do the "surgery" on, so I guess I'm lucky that way. So I'm going to get creative, and basically provide the funds and ideas and the machinists will provide the labor and tools. And they're friends, so it won't cost much! But there is much planning to do here and it won't be taking place until after Christmas, I just wanted to get the ideas flowing early and gauge interest in these projects, like if I can find an easy and effective way to do it, would others be interested? And so on...

 

[crazygn]

hey guys can i have a picture to, maybe it will give me some hope with my car .

thanks bud

boost20psi@msn.com

 

[HotAirGN]

I midas well take a look at that setup, can you make a link or just send to boosted84gn@yahoo.com thanks

 

[HOTSIX]

I'd like on the train as well.....

please send to me