Ban Barry Bonds?

[87We4ster]

Who thinks that Barry Bonds Home Run records should be allowed in the record books? Hank Aaron has come out and spoken against him.

 

[denn454]

the record books are for the quality of player someone is, not the quality of person. i think not putting him in is a mistake. what he did was on the field and thats what the record books are about. what about babe ruths drinking i've heard about? would you take him out because he wasn't an ideal athlete?

 

[87We4ster]

Babe Ruth didnt use steroids! How can you compare a cheater to the likes of Ruth and Aaron?

 

[no-nos]

i don't think it should be allowed, how do we know how good he really is? unless you take away the steroid ( or whatever drugs it was) it,s unfair to the rest of the players who played without any type of drugs an edge is an edge.

 

[1ARUNEM]

Two words "Pete Rose"...

Good for the goose...............

 

[gnx7]

They should ban all roid users from competition or at least make them sit out a season. McGuire, Bonds, Canseco, Giambi as well as quite a few of the other players were always juice monkeys. Kinda coincidental they lost 20-40lbs over the summer training season when roids were being tested for more stictly.

When these guys die in their mid 50's from an overgrown heart they'll wish they stayed legit. Isn't there rumors of Giambi having signs of a brain tumor?

-GNX7

 

[Anthony K]

all steriod users should be banned from the game and Hall of Fame. Rose bet on baseball, "might" have affected the outcome of some/few games to beat spreads, lied about it and got banned. these athletes ( i use that term loosely ) affected the outcome of every single game they played in...hands down and not one person can argue that point. and they all lied about, now ban them, Bonds said, i didnt know what the clear fluid was or these pills, but i ate them and rubbed it on my body.. MY A$$!! does he think we are susposed to believe that line of cr@p! all of thier heads got BIGGER from roids, too bad it didnt make them smarter

 

[Pronto]

The muscles get big but the balls shrink. No thanks.

 

[Anthony K]

shrink and/or go back in!!!!!! WTF are people thinking?

 

[kh440]

I look at Bonds the same way I do Rose's problems. Whether you did or didn't, I couldn't care less, it's the pissy attitude that puts me off. Sports fans are by nature a forgiving lot (don't believe me? 2 words : Darryl Strawberry). UNtil Bonds has either confessed or been caught, yes he should go into the record books( assuming he doesn't drop dead of heart failure first) But I must take issue with denn454: Yes Ruth, Mantle, Williams, Cobb. etc were all drunks and sob's, but scoth was not considered a performance enhancing substance. Quite the contrary: Alcoholism cut short the career of another would-be hall of famer : Bob Uecker.......

 

[Blwn87]

It has been proven that being on roids only lets you hit 10-20 feet farther (thats 2.5%-5% distance to centerfields in most parks). The difference between hitting a homerun and hitting a pop out is millimeters on the bat, so can you argue that it takes Barry Bonds takes at the most 10 at bats to hit the ball just right. You cant argue a person hitting a 96mph fastball within millimeters of the sweet spot of the bat (if everyone could do it everyone would be playing baseball) so it goes over the fence. I dont care that he is using or not. HE CAN STILL HIT THE BALL IN THE SWEET SPOT CANT HE?

 

[Anthony K]

Originally posted by Blwn87
It has been proven that being on roids only lets you hit 10-20 feet farther (thats 2.5%-5% distance to centerfields in most parks). The difference between hitting a homerun and hitting a pop out is millimeters on the bat, so can you argue that it takes Barry Bonds takes at the most 10 at bats to hit the ball just right. You cant argue a person hitting a 96mph fastball within millimeters of the sweet spot of the bat (if everyone could do it everyone would be playing baseball) so it goes over the fence. I dont care that he is using or not. HE CAN STILL HIT THE BALL IN THE SWEET SPOT CANT HE?

where and who proved that? no one has ever admitted taking the drug....35yolds hit farther the 20/25yolds?? skills diminsh after 32/33 that IS PROVEN. MLB wants to hear from you since you have proven this 10-20 fact

 

[NEAL BREW]

Originally posted by Anthony K
where and who proved that? no one has ever admitted taking the drug....35yolds hit farther the 20/25yolds?? skills diminsh after 32/33 that IS PROVEN. MLB wants to hear from you since you have proven this 10-20 fact

I got to agree with you here on this one.What was Bonds career high in HR before age thirty five? I think he might have hit in the mid to high 40s once. Then after he turns 35, the age when a mans skills diminish he jacks 73. Come on. Whether or not they dissallow his records doesnt matter to me because I for one will never recognize them. Maris and Arron will undoubtedly own the records for as long as I live.

 

[ghall]

Originally posted by 87We4ster
Babe Ruth didnt use steroids! How can you compare a cheater to the likes of Ruth and Aaron?

Todays athletes are FAR superior to those of yesterday.They face FAR superior pitching and fielding than years ago.Bonds is the greatest baseball player we have seen.Steroids or not--he is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Geoff

 

[RBE17]

Originally posted by denn454
the record books are for the quality of player someone is, not the quality of person. i think not putting him in is a mistake. what he did was on the field and thats what the record books are about. what about babe ruths drinking i've heard about? would you take him out because he wasn't an ideal athlete?

To my knowledge, Pete Rose didn't use steroids and he is banned from being in the Hall of Fame. I know he broke the law, but there is no denying what he accomplished. IMO, taking performance enhancing drugs is more serious than what Rose did.

Later,


Steve.

 

[XLR8]

Remeber, steroids were not illegal in baseball until very recently. But if baseball put an " * " next to Roger Marris' homerun record because he had the audacity to take 162 games to hit 61 homeruns, there should be a " Rx " next to all of Bond's records.

 

[ross87t]

Steroids illegaly give you physical gains. Barry Bonds used them, and in doing so breaks and will continue to break records. This would be the same as Aaron or Ruth having cork in their bats. If that was found out, they would be erased from the record books. Do I think Bonds should be banned from baseball? Not really. He should be fined and suspended for a period of time. Do I think his record should stand? Nope. He used drugs as an illegal advantage to get the records. In other words, he cheated.

Bonds vs. Rose -
Hmmm. Bonds used roids to win. "Cheated"
Rose bet on other baseball teams to win or lose. He bet on his team to win. That's like a boxer betting on himself to kick the other guy's ass. What's wrong w/ having enough confidence in yourself to bet money you will win?
Nevertheless, Rose broke a rule, so he should have been punished in some strict way. However, I think Rose's ban is just stupid.

Sorry, but Babe Ruth's drinking gave him no advantages whatsoever. If anything, it hurt his play. There were several known instances where he played w/ severe hangovers, and still punished the other team.

 

[bishir]

I have a 55 Hank Aaron baseball card. I hope he keeps the record so my card stays valuable.

 

[ross87t]

Originally posted by bishir
I have a 55 Hank Aaron baseball card. I hope he keeps the record so my card stays valuable.

It should stay valuable. He was a great player. Plus, he broke records like a man. He didn't need to stick needles in his ass to hit homeruns.

 

[bishir]

Originally posted by ross87t
It should stay valuable. He was a great player. Plus, he broke records like a man. He didn't need to stick needles in his ass to hit homeruns.

I agree, but I've taken a new view on current professional athletics. I think they shoud ALLOW STEROIDS. I want to see what to see how fast and how much these guys can really do!