Bent a valve. What should I check?

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tminer

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I bent the #4 exhaust valve (4th from front on passenger head). Obviously I need to replace the valve and check the piston.

Is there any testing or measuring that I need to do to check the head (valve guide?) for damage?

What about the cam, crank, rod and associated bearings?

Stock valve, ported iron heads with 3 angle valve job. Around 3000 miles on them. Do I just replace the valve, lap it too, or should I take it to a machinst?

Thanks in advance,
Tom
 
I would also check if the pushrod is bent, or the lifter is mushroomed while apart. I guess then you would have to have the lifter checked to see if it was damaged. my .02 anyone else?
 
I would also check if the pushrod is bent, or the lifter is mushroomed while apart. I guess then you would have to have the lifter checked to see if it was damaged. my .02 anyone else?
 
Valves don't just bend for no reason. Find what caused it and fix whatever is borke/worn/damaged. Check to make sure the timing chain didn't jump a tooth or two.
 
I appreciate the efforts, but I really need answers to my questions so that I can plan a course of action. If cam/crank/rod/etc can be checked without removal then I probably won't pull the motor. If odds are that I'll end up having to pull the motor anyway then I'm not going to mess around with pulling the intake and passenger head while the motor is still in the car.

I suspect a lifter collapsed during a run. Maybe that blew a head gasket, or just sounded like it. I checked the oil the next day and then started the engine to determine which head. I heard a nasty sound which I suspect was the piston slapping the valve. Alternately, I may have floated the valve during the run and the nasty noise was just due to the sloppy pushrod or addtional piston/valve contact.

I have jumped a timing chain before and that bent multiple valves. But that was a 343 AMC.

Tom
 
Originally posted by tminer
I bent the #4 exhaust valve (4th from front on passenger head). Obviously I need to replace the valve and check the piston.
Tom,

If you insist that you have bent a valve (without seeing it, or hearing it, I am going to bet you just blew a head gasket or, as you suggested, collapsed a lifter which will cause the goofy noise from the pushrod slamming into the rocker arm every so often :eek: ), just pull the valve covers and the rocker shafts. You can pull out the pushrods and check them for straightness but leave them in there for this simple test.

You will need a dial-indicator and a magnetic base. While turning the motor by ratchet on the front bolt and the dial indicator setup on top of a pushrod, rotate the engine and note both the lift registered with each lobe and the installed height with the cam on the back of the lobe. The first test will verify if all the lobes are OK. The second test will find the collapsed lifter, if one exists.

If the cam is OK, then you can do the rest of the work with the motor in the car by pulling the top half. The only way you can check a piston is to pull a head. Stock pistons are surprisingly soft. Also note that reinstalling the heads and intake to pull the motor is a quite simple procedure (just run the bolts in. No need for fancey torque values or cleanliness, cuz they are coming off again!)
Is there any testing or measuring that I need to do to check the head (valve guide?) for damage?
Machine shops are equipped to check for leaks around valves. However if it is as bad as you think, you will see it when you pull the head...it is the other 5 cylinders that will need to have this test.
What about the cam, crank, rod and associated bearings?
Cam test is listed above. All you can do with the crank is the screwdriver test to measure thrust with the neat little dial indicator you just bought. ;) If its not squealing now (from a spun bearing) and you don't want to pull the motor, the only thing you can do is pull the pan and main caps to check the bottom bearing half visually...but in my opinion you are just worried about the 1-in-a-million having happened to you. ;) Leave the bottom end alone. If on restart, you hear a bearing squeal, well, at least the top half is OK. ;)
Stock valve, ported iron heads with 3 angle valve job. Around 3000 miles on them. Do I just replace the valve, lap it too, or should I take it to a machinst?
You take the head(s) to a machine shop for the aforementioned leak test. You throw away any bent valves (which have now been weakened by bending) and replace them. Machine shops can also easily check valve guides.

Is the timing chain also only 3k in use? :confused:
 
Thanks Scott.

I had pulled the valve cover and the valve is 3/32" "shorter" than the two adjacent (mic'd with a straight edge).

3k on new Rollmaster timing chain set.

I'll inspect the cam, and I have a degree kit. I was mostly worried about stress damage to the cam, crank, etc. Sounds like that is not too likely.

I have a leakdown tester too, so I can check the other cylinders for leakage.

If the piston is only slightly damaged then can I just smooth any rough edges and reuse it or should I replace it? I know better than to get abrasive in the cylinder.

Scott, is the machine shop that you use local and would you provide contact info for them?

Thanks again,
Tom
 
Originally posted by tminer
I had pulled the valve cover and the valve is 3/32" "shorter" than the two adjacent (mic'd with a straight edge).
Assuming that the valves were all installed with the same install height, then if that cylinder is the only one to blatantly fail a leakdown test, yes, sounds like you bent a valve. :(
I have a leakdown tester too, so I can check the other cylinders for leakage.
Yes, but we know you have to pull one head...might as well do them both. But yes, a leakdown test can remove the necessity of taking the second head to the machine shop.
If the piston is only slightly damaged then can I just smooth any rough edges and reuse it or should I replace it? I know better than to get abrasive in the cylinder.
Just smooth it out. It'll be fine. :)
 
Thanks again.

I think that you were replying when I was editing to ask about the machine shop. I don't know if I'll use them just for a valve guide, but I am still contemplating a short block overhaul and strengthening. Still, with only 32K on mine, I keep hedging.

Tom
 
Leakdown was inconclusive. 100% on #4, 10% or less on 4 of the other 5, but exhaust valve on #3 was definitely leaking. Very bad at first, something like 30-40 psi vs 75 psi in. Then I put one end of a wooden stake on the valve and rapped the other end with a hammer to bounce the valve a little. That got it up to about 58 psi. I could stll hear air out the exhaust though.

Not sure if that is just because motor is cold plus last ran for only 30-60 secs, or if that valve is bent too.

Sometimes it isn't so nice to have options!

Tom
 
I had the rev limitter at 5750 and it hit 5850 rpm when I lost traction at 50 mph or so. 212/212 hydraulic roller rated to 5800 rpm. I know that the springs were not the ones that Comp recommended but the heads vendor assurred me that they would be fine. He is well known, respected and unmolested by those on this board.

I'm pulling the intake and heads. Then I'll decide. My hoist won't be here this week like I'd hoped, so I might as well do something in the meantime.

Tom
 
Thanks.

I call them mystery springs. I never could get what I consider a straight answer on the specs. I just trusted the vendor, and attributed the secrecy to his wanting a competitve edge. Closest I got was that they were similar to CC981s. I'll have them checked or just switch to the comp springs for piece of mind.

Tom
 
Tom,

I've got Comp 981's on my roller and have hit the fuel cutoff (6250?) several times with no ill effects. After thouroughly checking valve to piston clearance, I find it hard to believe that just floating the valves would cause contact. I put #1 at TDC and with a dial indicator on the valve retainer (and VERY light spring), slowly pressed the valve down until it hit the piston - result: 0.480" clearance! Can't imagine what happened on yours...
 
.504 lift maybe? But given the era and extra low compression I was surprised that the LC2s weren't "free wheeling", at least with the stock cam.

I haven't ruled out a lifter. I had one bad right out of the box. The piston or plunger or whatever it's called was just rattling around. I don't know if it was just assembled wrong or a bad component can cause that and also go bad while in use.

I did have one piece of good luck. I bought 4 roller skates, a 2 ton folding hoist, leveler, and 1250 lb folding stand from Northern. It was all only $352 with free shipping. The 4skates were normally $60 shipping and they weigh nothing compared to the rest. They have to be loosing money.

Tom
 
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