co2 intercooler sprayer

[V6UnderPressure]

I would be interested in using this. How much do they run and where can I get one?

Scott

 

[Two Lane]

Re: HTH

Originally posted by Two Lane
www.designengineering.com

Their website has a list of some of the re-sellers.

HTH

 

[INtercoolerTech]

This is my company http://www.intercoolertechniques.com my kits are the same as DEI but about 250.00 less

Chris R

 

[INtercoolerTech]

Originally posted by xrunner123
Oh and also, this was probably covered somewhere here before, it is better to use liquid to fin conduction than air to fin. Meaning that the intercooler would 'cool' better if submerged in a liquid that was cold than to just blast cold air in a few spots. Liquid by far conducts heat better than gas.

Some sort of glycerin that was cooled to -80C with the CO2 or NOS? Then you don't have to worry about thermal shock since the mass of the liquid would be quite large.

My co2 kits spray liquid co2 onto the intercooler when the liquid hits the intercooler it turns to DRY ICE packing your intercooler with DRY ICE very effective!

Chris R

 

[xrunner123]

Originally posted by INtercoolerTech
My co2 kits spray liquid co2 onto the intercooler when the liquid hits the intercooler it turns to DRY ICE packing your intercooler with DRY ICE very effective!

Chris R

Just like I said. liquid is better than air

In addition, I said that was a big difference in temp cycling and temp shock. I wasn't implying that intercoolers can deteriorate over time. I don't know or have any data.

In fact, since your liquid is being applied to the fins, I would think that there is not enough fin mass to see any detrimental effects of stress due to contraction (from the extreme cold). The more massive the less 'give' there is for any expansion or contraction.

 

[gnx7]

I assume this CO2 bottle is not D.O.T. approved and is like the everyday garden variety you can get at any exotic gas refill station.

Why not inject propane into your intake stream instead of the CO2 on the intercooler?

-GNX7

 

[Taffy]

Someone posted that Jim D'Allisandro used to use co2 on his IC back in the 80s. He lost in the final round during a big event cause the co2 was sucked into the intake upon taking off.
That is my only problem with using co2. I looked into it about 3 years ago, but I decided to use no2 IN the intake not ON it. ERIC.

 

[top gun]

A few years ago I had a pte intercooler outfitted with a spray bar setup for co2. The inlet temps were down in the 40 deg range at the end of the run on a 80 deg day. The problem was the engine pulling in the vaporized co2 off of the intercooler choking the motor. 10 pounds of co2 may get you one pass, I was using a 15 pound tank to freeze down the intercooler before the pass. If you have an unlimited supply of co2 it works great, plan on having quite a few tanks if you are looking for results.

 

[INtercoolerTech]

Originally posted by xrunner123
Just like I said. liquid is better than air

In addition, I said that was a big difference in temp cycling and temp shock. I wasn't implying that intercoolers can deteriorate over time. I don't know or have any data.

In fact, since your liquid is being applied to the fins, I would think that there is not enough fin mass to see any detrimental effects of stress due to contraction (from the extreme cold). The more massive the less 'give' there is for any expansion or contraction.

Well said I like the GN boards seems like you guys are some really smart people!



Chris R

 

[TurboDave]

Originally posted by INtercoolerTech
This is my company http://www.intercoolertechniques.com my kits are the same as DEI but about 250.00 less

Chris R

Are you a paying advertiser in this forum???? If not, become one, I'd hate to have to delete any of your posts relating to your business that are obviously open adds for your products, but I will if need be.

 

[dadmomcat]

co2 info

Very interesting web site www.designengineering.com
i check out pricing from Horse power Sales in South Florida.
part number 080100 $ 369.99 main installation kit, p/n 080130
$82.87 for 16" x 5" intercooler sprayer, p/n 080110 $149.99 for 3" air intake cryogenic intake, p/n 080124 $ 127.49 for cryogenic fuel bar polished 10an.

Take a look at the sytem, looks pretty cool.If the total cost of $ 775.00 for the complete system is worth " the bang for your buck " Wonder how long a 5 lb tank would last. Do you just run the intercooler spray at a set boost ?? Would the intake and fuel bar run ALL of the time.

Horse power Sales did say that a few people are interested in the product and they had it in stock.

More inforemation is need.

Cool is cool

 

[A-man930]

He lost in the final round during a big event cause the co2 was sucked into the intake upon taking off.
That is my only problem with using co2.

That's what I was wondering... how do you keep the co2 from getting sucked into the intake? Especially when at speed?

 

[XxDarkSidexX]

spray it on the pipes, not inside them? Only reason Im posting is a friend of my, wont say name, but he is deep into the nines. He swears by this, and I was just talking to him about it the other night. Simple home made kits can be made, even using some pipe line and jets from a NOS kit could work. I forgot if he said he was spraying NOS or cO2 but reguardless my point is that it does make a difference, a pretty big one. Im thinking about doing on myself, when i kind find some more money :biggrin:

darkside

 

[Adam Connell]

Im glad someone finally started a thread about this... all of the old farts on here are so dead set in their ways that they think they know it all and a "new" idea must not work... I basically got called a fool in my previous thread about CO2 and NOS sprayers... made me mad enough to actually stop coming here for a few weeks...

My boss has an Srt-4 and he put a NOS sprayer on his stock intercooler... Very noticable difference... then he got a better intercooler than had almost 2x the surface area. It made a difference, but the spray bar on that intercooler made the biggest difference of all! This works and is a good kick in the pants.... Honestly I would do it if I felt like spending the money and installing it but I have other things that need to be done before I do this. I think it would work especially well on our shrouded stock intercoolers bye the way...

 

[GNguy]

hmmmm

Isnt this why they invented Alky???

 

[TurboDave]

Im glad someone finally started a thread about this... all of the old farts on here are so dead set in their ways that they think they know it all and a "new" idea must not work... I basically got called a fool in my previous thread about CO2 and NOS sprayers... made me mad enough to actually stop coming here for a few weeks...

My boss has an Srt-4 and he put a NOS sprayer on his stock intercooler... Very noticable difference... then he got a better intercooler than had almost 2x the surface area. It made a difference, but the spray bar on that intercooler made the biggest difference of all! This works and is a good kick in the pants.... Honestly I would do it if I felt like spending the money and installing it but I have other things that need to be done before I do this. I think it would work especially well on our shrouded stock intercoolers bye the way...

It's not so much that it will or wont work. While you could do on the street, spraying anything external to the engine is not allowed on the track(s).

 

[8AV8]

Unless you go to a backwoods, redneck, ghetto kinda track stuck in the middle of nowhere...and the only tech is the guy taking your money at the gate...and the only rule he pays attention to is the one where you give him money!:biggrin:

 

[S2V6RACER]

Im glad someone finally started a thread about this... all of the old farts on here are so dead set in their ways that they think they know it all and a "new" idea must not work... I basically got called a fool in my previous thread about CO2 and NOS sprayers... made me mad enough to actually stop coming here for a few weeks...

My boss has an Srt-4 and he put a NOS sprayer on his stock intercooler... Very noticable difference... then he got a better intercooler than had almost 2x the surface area. It made a difference, but the spray bar on that intercooler made the biggest difference of all! This works and is a good kick in the pants.... Honestly I would do it if I felt like spending the money and installing it but I have other things that need to be done before I do this. I think it would work especially well on our shrouded stock intercoolers bye the way...

I agree that CO2 to cool off a marginal intercooler would help out.

 

[Grumpy]

Isnt this why they invented Alky???

YES it is

 

[Adam Connell]

Isnt this why they invented Alky???

No, Alky esentially just raises the car's gas octane rating. Methanol has an equivalent octane rating of 120+ so spraying it into the air fuel mix and taking out part of the fuel just raises the "octane". Also Alky helps to atomize the air fuel mix better. The cooling effect is a nice biproduct, but it isnt what controls detonation.

Honestly, I think there is a lot of potential with an alky sprayer combined with a small shot of nitrous(say a 30hp shot) On our cars it would be worth 50-75hp. Combine that with the intercooler sprayer and you might be looking at 100+hp without actually doing anything to your engine or turbo(other than tuning). Also with nitrous being sprayed into the engine you could run a turbo that would normally require a 3000+ stall on a stock stall converter. Multiple power adders done right can produce insane **streetable** horsepower. I just dont get why people go out and buy parts that make their cars sluggish on the street when they drive it every day. Throwing on a huge turbo and a huge stall are great for the track, but suck balls on the street. I drove a car a few weeks ago with a 3400 stall and a much larger turbo. The guy said it put down around 650 or so to the wheels, but it was so damn sluggish and laggy that I wouldnt want to drive that thing every day. Maybe my goals are different than other peoples, but I want an all around good feeling car with a very broad power band. I guess I just like N/A and blown cars too much

Seriously though, I keep hearing numbers of 30-50whp from super chilling your intercooler. I didnt believe it either until I went for a ride in a car equiped with a sprayer... This was a 350whp neon srt-4... This is definately a good trick for street racers, and it has already been proven at the track. No matter how efficient your intercooler may be, this WILL drop your intake temps. It only makes the intercooler work better.


Also on a side note: If you dont want to get CO2 in your engine at the line then freeze the intercooler in the stagin lanes or in the burn out box. With a nitrous sprayer it wouldnt be a problem though...