Cost to Paint our cars?
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ok you can do this cheep if you would like. go on craigslist and find a used compressor i got a big compressor for $100 a champion compressor. i used a binks spray gun but for $20 you can get a harbor fright gun; binks actually makes them and sells the the guns renamed to harbor fright alot of people dont know this. as for the paint you can get a gallon of primer from autobody tool mart for $40 and a gallon of thinner for $20 alot cheaper than the duplicolar stuff. the duplicolor stuff is pre mixed so you get half of it thinner. you can buy omni paint but its not that good just buy ppg. ppg makes that omni its like $20 a qt.ppg just doesnt test this stuff often. you can wet sand and buff the car yourself thats what gives you the shine. that all it takes.Evercoat Dura Build Acrylic Primer Surfacer - 1 Gallon Gray - 2274 thats the primer
Kirker Ultra-Glo Acrylic Urethane Enamel - Black - UA-70330 here is some cheap single stage paint i dont use this stuff it doesnt shine as nice as basecoat/clear coat. this is for 3/4 gallon when you add the hardners and stuff it will paint a whole car. if you take a chance you can do it cheap im only 19 and i have restored 3 car all have won awards at car shows. and every car i did except for the dune buggy had to have rust repair. if i can do it anyone can. see my slide show in my sig. if you have any questions pm me or just keep posting on this post.
Thanks for the link. That looks like a good site.
So you don't like the Kirker? I can just buy paint and clear coat here locally. We have a Sherwin Williams (expensive), a PPG dealer, and a Car Quest (not sure of their brand). I was quoted from $300 to $600 for paint, primer, clear. That is in my budget. I don't know what the Duplicolor would cost. Will check out the paint guns from Harbor Freight. We have a store here a few miles away.
the only reason i dont like it is because it doesnt shine as well. i think if you wet sanded the car to 3000 you might get it to shine like basecoat/clear coat. you just can't beat the price all it will cost is like $100 to paint the whole car. if you like to wet sand and spend the time then its the stuff for you. if will look almost like a show car. its not the materials you use it how you prepair the car. If you can block a car and make it like a arrow that what you are looking for. you can use cheap paint and still get great results. its just do you want to spend the time. get guide coat if your starting out get the spray stuff. you dust it on and sand with a block if you see metal poking out thats a high spot and it has to be knocked down. if you see the guide coat then its a low you have to fill the spot. all this just takes time. the reason a body shop cost so much is because of the time they spend. SEM 38203 Guide Coat Black Aerosol here is link to the guide coat its like $5 and this will help out alot. i know what it takes to do a show car and it takes alot of time. chip foose even uses guide coat. the little details make the difference and win you the awards.
Dennis Kirban
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kirban 2 cents worth
Unless I missed reading it in all the above threads....if you wanna be around to see the finished job you best be wearing a proper mask.
Not sure about using kerosene as a heating source with spraying paint and chemicals around.
On the other hand, if it turns out great you can pat your self on the back. If it don't you can chalk it up to a learning experience.
Having watched my kid do it for years and seeing how things like temp humidity bad primer can cause all sort of problems if you get it close to right right out of the box your doing good.
Good luck......
denniskirban@yahoo.com
Unless I missed reading it in all the above threads....if you wanna be around to see the finished job you best be wearing a proper mask.
Not sure about using kerosene as a heating source with spraying paint and chemicals around.
On the other hand, if it turns out great you can pat your self on the back. If it don't you can chalk it up to a learning experience.
Having watched my kid do it for years and seeing how things like temp humidity bad primer can cause all sort of problems if you get it close to right right out of the box your doing good.
Good luck......
denniskirban@yahoo.com
i seen guys use a kerosene heater while painting but i wouldn’t do it. paint fumes are explosive and the heater is basically a open flame. i dont know.
i looked up the duplicolor stuff its $20 a qt. its cheaper to buy the primer my way if your priming the whole car. the reason i say this is because the duplicolor stuff you have to buy 8 qt rather than 1 gallon of thinner and 1 gallon of primer. also at harbor fright if you dont have a DA or air file get them there real cheap. there not the best, but if your only painting your car once its worth it.
"More Boost"
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most of the cost of a paint job is labor costs. it's very labor intensive. so if you decide to do it yourself dont skimp on paint quality. get a quality name brand paint. i've been painting cars for 20 yrs. (no lie). biggest mistake is to get in a hurry. Try to cut corners and you will regret it later. and read the instructions carefully (usually get them from your paint supplier) some come on the can. and you need to be careful where you paint the EPA is always watching LOL. and like Dennis said use some type of fresh air respirator (this is nasty stuff) life is short enough, dont make it any shorter
Thanks for all of the great advice. I guess you have to read between the lines to get a feel for what I'm trying to do. But that's ok, when I explained it to a friend on the phone this morning, he didn't quite get it either. Here is my point- I've worked with Bondo before I am no good at it. Plain and simple. I don't even want to take the time to learn how to use it. I know it would have pin holes in it and will be wavy if I tried to use it. Now, that being said, I would like the body shop to bondo and smooth out the hail dings in the roof, and deal with the bondo in the damaged rear quarter panel. I already have a dent free hood and trunk lid to put on. There are a couple of small door dings in the D/S door. I'll have the body shop take care of those too. Or a paintless dent repair guy. I'm not looking for a 100 point show car. I just intend to rough up the rest of the panels and primer/paint/clear them. That's it. I'll practice on the spare hood first to see what I can accomplish and to see if I want to go through with this. I'll wait until the weather gets nicer so I don't need the kerosene heater. Maybe I'll build a paint booth from 2X4's and plastic. I will invest in a breather mask. Maybe I can leave the garage door open if there is no wind. That's the plan. No major sanding/blocking involved.
Thanks for all of the great advice. I guess you have to read between the lines to get a feel for what I'm trying to do. But that's ok, when I explained it to a friend on the phone this morning, he didn't quite get it either. Here is my point- I've worked with Bondo before I am no good at it. Plain and simple. I don't even want to take the time to learn how to use it. I know it would have pin holes in it and will be wavy if I tried to use it. Now, that being said, I would like the body shop to bondo and smooth out the hail dings in the roof, and deal with the bondo in the damaged rear quarter panel. I already have a dent free hood and trunk lid to put on. There are a couple of small door dings in the D/S door. I'll have the body shop take care of those too. Or a paintless dent repair guy. I'm not looking for a 100 point show car. I just intend to rough up the rest of the panels and primer/paint/clear them. That's it. I'll practice on the spare hood first to see what I can accomplish and to see if I want to go through with this. I'll wait until the weather gets nicer so I don't need the kerosene heater. Maybe I'll build a paint booth from 2X4's and plastic. I will invest in a breather mask. Maybe I can leave the garage door open if there is no wind. That's the plan. No major sanding/blocking involved.
Blocking is what will make or break your final results..............all of the body guys know do it once. spend the time now or your going to want to do it again. if its a driver then buy the cheap stuff and fly with it. i dont use this stuff on any of my show car i mostly use the cheap stuff on car i am going to drive just to make them look good. as for the body work it all takes time. use a block and guide coat it helps. a body shop is going to kill you in the pockets if there is alot of dents. just ten or twelve hours blocking will make a big difference over not doing any of it. bodywork and painting is easy it takes alot to screw up because you can alway start over and fix almost everything. if you get a run you can wet sand it; if there are too many waves you can always block it.
even if your bodywork is 100 percent right its the primer that gets you. chip foose cant spray the primer a 100 percent flat. there is alway going to be small waves from the primer. you as a human cant move you arm at the same speed across a pannel. so, some spots will have more primer than other spots. thats where you start to see small waves. it will also tell you if there are any spots you missed. and yes there are problems with the factory body. if you look close at the quarter pannel and where the roof meet you can see a small line. its right near the quarter glass area. that where they connected the roof and quarter pannel. that's the most noticable spot that is a defect this keeps you away from a truely flat car. most people don't do anything about this but it is a area that show how much work you have done. if you dont correct it its not a big deal.
My car was in a accident a few years back and the body shop ended up spraying the whole driver side of my car(Insurance). Is it possible to just spray the other half? The paint on the pass side is original and looks like poop compared to the other side...I would hate to paint it and then half a wierd paint line down the middle..lol
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You can do it yourself, I wouldn't use duplicolor on it. Spend some money and get good materials. Once you do it you will totally understand why we charge what we do to paint one lol. Good luck. Daniel Ray
Dennis Kirban
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kirban 2 cents worth
Assuming you got a black car black is a very very tough color to blend it may look rite for the first several months then it may be noticeable...also in certain light you will be able to see the difference hard to explain may have something to do with whatever primer or base was used and now when you do another portion your body shop may not use the same material.
Our cars do not lend them selves to blending as surface area is too much and nothing breaks it up.
Black is very unforgiving.....
Just my thoughts.
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I got a Black Blazer Sport and even at nite when the headlites hit it you can see the paint difference from the hood to the fender. Don't bother me since it is a 1994 model but you can tell.
Looks like I need to read up on how to paint a car. I thought blocking involved smoothing body filler (which it probably does). So the procedure that I am after involves sanding (roughing up) the existing paint, then primering it, then sanding smooth the primer, and then paint and clear coat, correct? I can do that!
yes. blocking is just to get the waves out of the car. yes you use a block to make the filler smooth but the whole blocking process is for getting rid of the waves. if you dont care about waves then its not a issue but if your painting a car its worth spending a few hours blocking. what ten short hours of blocking when you are spending so many hours preping. it just makes since to do it right the first time.
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Boy am I glad my cousin is in the business. He owns all of the Dupont stores in the St Louis area, 13 of them and has a spray booth at his house. My car will be going in for paint in April, a couple of dings to fix but no rust repair. I have done alot of work for him at no cost to him so he is doing my car for free. Every car he owns is black, I can't wait to see my car when it is done, he does incredible work.
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