Evil must be defeated. Does this scare anyone else?

[dthrock]

Seems like every time I see Bush talking on TV he is harping about how this evil dictator must be killed, or this evil empire must be brought to ruin. Today he was talking about the evil of 'slavery'. He went on to say that profiiting from anyone elses use (can we say the porn industry) must be stamped out. I can see it now, this is just the start of the "War on Porn" . Is that such a big deal? Well not in itself but where is that going to lead us? When I was over in the Red Sea for Desert Storm (where we should have finished it the first time) we couldnt get a JC Penneys or Sears catalog. Why? Because the middle east countries consider it porn. (the bra and panties sections)

I agreed whole heartedly with Bushs stand on not letting other countries crap all over us, I think we have taken all the abuse from these piddly 3rd world countries for to long. BUT Bush scares the **** out of me when he starts talking his religious cleansing 'evil' stuff. Sounds like the start of another Jihad to me.
What ever happen to seperation of church and state? Is it right to play on peoples religious beliefs to try to support your 'war on evil'?

Before you get started on your "This country was founded on "One Nation under God" stuff, go back and read your history. One of the main reasons the colonies were founded was to get away from the dictatorship of the church of England. I think it would be better put to say this country was founded on the principle that you have the right to worship, or NOT, as you please. Dont suck me into your religious wars, call a spade a spade.

Dave

 

[GN One Day...]

Saddam's religion isn't what made him evil. The way he, his cohorts and sons treated people by violating simple human rights is what made him evil. About time if you asked me. Plus, not cooperating with the inspectors like he agreed to 10 years ago. He was a defeated enemy and got dealt with properly IMO. I'm sure there are more out there that need to be scrutinized too, but the world needs to get in on it, not just the U.S. It's not about religion, it's about protecting human rights and keeping the arms race from flaring up again and threatening the world.

 

[gn85]

Hrmm...

As far as 'good and evil' are concerned, I beleive that is just the way Bush equates things in the world. Those are his choice of words and his way of looking at things. I'll agree with you, he definately does have a 'religiousness' to him. But what president hasn't?? Most presidents I think are better at putting aside their 'reverence' and doing their job as their job, not as a crusade of good and evil. But then again, I don't think Bush would be this pronounced of good and evil in his term if he hadn't been commander in chief during one of the worst 'evils' this country and world has ever witnessed.

As for his comments about something needing to be done about the problem of slave trade. No.. this is not a war on porn. Although, I'm sure pornography is not smiled upon in the White House, this is not what the president is referring to. Over here, there is a 'hush-hush' problem of slave trafficing in the form of prostitutes from Russia into the Western European countries and elsewhere as well. No, Russia is not the only source, I'm only using this as an example.

Some girls are actually being forceable abducted and made to serve as prostitutes. Of course under threat of being beat up and having their families beat up or worse. Some girls are being tricked with promises of legitimate employment, instead they have their passports and papers taken from them so they can't even leave to cross the border and go home.

Also you still have slavery going on in parts of Africa with children.

I'm not going to write a thesis here, but having been to Czech Republic and seeing the border towns that are nothing but prostitutes, you can very well liken it to towns like Tijuana in Mexico. I think this is what Bush is talking about. How much he is willing to do about it, is any person's guess. We shall see.

Whew...

 

[tjthorson]

Sometimes having a little knowledge can be deadly.....

Please read your Constitution. Show me where it mentions the words "separation of church and state". That line comes from a letter written years later. Even then, the Constitiution only discusses that there is to be no "state sanctioned religion" - in other words, "the church of England" - you are free to worship who you want. You are also free to worship nothing if you choose and face no legal persecution from the government for doing so. Thats it. You don't like "under God" in the pledge? Don't say that part. You don't want to say the pledge at all? Leave the room and shut your mouth.

Don't feel you need to stifle everyone else for your little whim. Just don't say that part. I don't remember any legal cases of a public school teacher reprimanding a kid for closing his mouth during the "under God" part.

Heck, because of our school systems, most kids cannot add 2 + 2 without a computer, let alone even know the Pledge.

I choose to send my children to a private school. Because of the religion? Maybe, but more importantly so thay can learn to add numbers and speak English by the time they graduate....

Don't like the 10 commandments in the lobby? Lobby to get it changed. If you are in the majority, it will be moved. If not, let it go. Wear dark sunglasses or look the other way if it bothers you. I, for one, feel better that the judge behind the doors follows SOME kind of morality rules when he might be deciding my fate. Not just responding to the loudest voice...

I am SOOOO tired of this pandering to people that don't seem to have anything better to do in their lives.

Majority should rule, common sense should come first.

 

[BlackBuick84]

Originally posted by dthrock
He went on to say that profiiting from anyone elses use (can we say the porn industry) must be stamped out. I can see it now, this is just the start of the "War on Porn" . Is that such a big deal?

If porn is so important, what has it done to improve people's lives? Lets see: it demeans women, puts a negative focus on them, and just gives people a false reality. Yeah, that sounds like something that needs to stay While we're at it, lets take away all the non-smoking areas too since cigarettes dont cause cancer.

 

[The Blob]

Originally posted by dthrock

Before you get started on your "This country was founded on "One Nation under God" stuff, go back and read your history.

I am saying this in a nice way... before you post stuff like this go read at least a basic logic primer. Your "arguement" is full of enough false premises and inferences to make your conclusion (George Bush is pushing his religion on us) utterly invalid.

If you think GW is pushing religion on us, that's your opinion. But you did not even begin to construct an arguement to support that proposition.

 

[dthrock]

Originally posted by tjthorson
Majority should rule, common sense should come first.

There are so many things wrong with that statement I dont even know where to start. I think you got a little far afield on the rest of your comments.
So if you get 50 KKK members together and 1 black person, majority should rule? Come on, even you have to see the flaws in your 'common sense' statement. Someday , probably soon, when there are more spanish speaking people in the US than there are english speaking, should we change the national language to spanish?

I wont bother with the rest of your comments as it has nothing to do with Bush and his campaign against 'evil'. Lets call it what it really is, greed and power. The middle eastern regime was lead by greed and power. The slave trade mentioned is driven by greed and power. The results of that greed and the struggle to obtain, what in their minds is power, may be called 'evil' but its not the cause.
I doubt that the pimps running the prostitution rings woke up one day and said, Hey what can I do today thats really evil. More like they woke up and said "Im tired of my crappy life and Im going to do whatever it takes to have all my dreams, reguardless of the cost to others"
You can see the same thing every day here in the US. Politicians, doctors, laywers, plumbers, car mechanics, just about anyone. Its human nature to want more. With some it just becomes a bit more than we bargained for.
So when Bush calls on the US support to kill off this dreaded evil and quotes scripture and prays to god to support our righteous cause, yes that scares me. Ive been in the middle east and I dont want my government to be ran on religious standards of any kind, be they the majority or not.

 

[dthrock]

Re: Re: Evil must be defeated. Does this scare anyone else?

Sorry, You needed to quoted the rest of the sentence and I should have said, "Is that such a bad thing" instead of "Is that such a big deal." Dont get me wrong, the porn industry is out of control with this internet spam thing. I block probably 5000 messages a day for our 100 users were I work. Of that 5000 probably 2/3rds are related to sex in some way. Webcams, porn sites, bigger penis, viagra, etc etc. But you have to wonder where they get their money to fund this stuff if no one does it.

What I was getting at is it starts with trying to clean up prostitution/slavery and ends with us not having Victorias Secret or Sears catalogs any more.

Originally posted by BlackBuick84
If porn is so important, what has it done to improve people's lives? Lets see: it demeans women, puts a negative focus on them, and just gives people a false reality. Yeah, that sounds like something that needs to stay While we're at it, lets take away all the non-smoking areas too since cigarettes dont cause cancer.

 

[dthrock]

Re: Re: Evil must be defeated. Does this scare anyone else?

Logic? We dont need no stinking logic, this is opinion.

Originally posted by The Blob
I am saying this in a nice way... before you post stuff like this go read at least a basic logic primer. Your "arguement" is full of enough false premises and inferences to make your conclusion (George Bush is pushing his religion on us) utterly invalid.

If you think GW is pushing religion on us, that's your opinion. But you did not even begin to construct an arguement to support that proposition.

 

[zam70]

Re: Re: Evil must be defeated. Does this scare anyone else?

Originally posted by BlackBuick84
If porn is so important, what has it done to improve people's lives? Lets see: it demeans women, puts a negative focus on them, and just gives people a false reality. Yeah, that sounds like something that needs to stay While we're at it, lets take away all the non-smoking areas too since cigarettes dont cause cancer.

First off, church and state HAVE to be seperated...

I'm not a huge porn fan BUT:
it's not like everything available improves life. This is such a "holier than thou" out look....
Demeaning women??? You can't demean the willing...
False reality? Isn't ALL entertainment?

I was under the assumption that this is a free country. Unfortunately, ALOT of people feel it should be free as long as they approve...Let me give you some advice -
QUIT PROTECTING ME FROM MYSELF!
If something endangers an unwilling bystander, there should be laws for it. Please tell me how NOT wearing a seatbelt endangers anyone but yourself? Please tell me how porn endangers anyone but the willing....
The problem is lack of self responsibility. Something bad happens? Point a finger and sue....Kids out of hand? Blame the schools....people are NOT taking resposibility abd THAT my friend, is the ROOT of ALL problems.

Leaping off my soapbox....

 

[JFH]

Someday , probably soon, when there are more spanish speaking people in the US than there are english speaking, should we change the national language to spanish?

If I'm not mistaken the US does not have a national language, That was ever voted on or passed

JFH

 

[dthrock]

Could be, but would you like to have your kids learn english as an optional language in high school instead of french or spanish? My point being that just because you are in the majority doesnt mean something is right or wrong. Of course looking at it in a long term basis, maybe its just the natural evolution of our country.

Originally posted by JFH
Someday , probably soon, when there are more spanish speaking people in the US than there are english speaking, should we change the national language to spanish?

If I'm not mistaken the US does not have a national language, That was ever voted on or passed

JFH

 

[Red Regal T]

Originally posted by dthrock

So when Bush calls on the US support to kill off this dreaded evil and quotes scripture and prays to god to support our righteous cause, yes that scares me. Ive been in the middle east and I dont want my government to be ran on religious standards of any kind, be they the majority or not.

This statement is a total fabrication. Where did you hear this? Personally, I don't believe in hocus pocus, but if other people want to, that's their problem. While President Bush says he prays everyday, I just don't get scared about a reference to evil. Murdering women and children IS evil. Wouldn't you agree? That's what our enemy thinks is OK.

What really scares me is the thought of these liberal liars getting back in office. The constant drumbeat of the lies in the liberal media make me sick. This country is in real danger. We are at war for our lives and all the liberals worry about is to get back in power. They are allied with our enemy.......giving aid and comfort. The country be damned as long as they get back in control.

 

[dthrock]

Re: Re: Re: Evil must be defeated. Does this scare anyone else?

HEAR HEAR!!! Zam for Gov of Cali

Although I wouldnt agree that its the root of ALL problems, but a damn good number of them

Originally posted by zam70

The problem is lack of self responsibility. Something bad happens? Point a finger and sue....Kids out of hand? Blame the schools....people are NOT taking resposibility abd THAT my friend, is the ROOT of ALL problems.

Leaping off my soapbox....

 

[GNSCOTT]

President Bush was talking about women and children being FORCED into the sex trade. Being forced to have sex with others. I don't know if any of you watch the showtime special with Seymour Butts, but he has girls begging to be in movies and he turns many away.

OBTW, I just love Liberals, they complain that the poor need more money, but when it comes to giving it to other poor countries they complain. As soon as the world sees how well Iraq and Afghanistan are doing after we help them rebuild, maybe some of these other countries might be a little more receptive to our troops ousting their corrupt governments. Its an investment, and if we have to go into Iran, a country with a ton of oil that says they need a nuclear power plant to produce electricity , some of them might actually help us oust their government rather than resist us. Think ahead.

I wish the president would just put it bluntly.......If a WOMD is smuggled into a US city and detonated, it will send a major panic and then anger to our people and government, and no one will want to be around the planet when that happens.

 

[Matt Weiser]

Originally posted by dthrock
Bush scares the **** out of me when he starts talking his religious cleansing 'evil' stuff. Sounds like the start of another Jihad to me.
What ever happen to seperation of church and state? Is it right to play on peoples religious beliefs to try to support your 'war on evil'?

Before you get started on your "This country was founded on "One Nation under God" stuff, go back and read your history. One of the main reasons the colonies were founded was to get away from the dictatorship of the church of England. I think it would be better put to say this country was founded on the principle that you have the right to worship, or NOT, as you please. Dont suck me into your religious wars, call a spade a spade.

I agree. It scares me, too. Evil is one thing, and evil is one reason we got involved in WWII, don't forget. But religion is another, and I don't want religion to be the basis for U.S. actions, and I don't like to hear "God" and "prayer" invoked by our president all the time. How about a simple "right vs. wrong" determination? America used to be pretty good at that. Now the only thing that's "right" is protecting American corporate profits. If a little reference to prayer puts the public into a trance, so much the better, right?

 

[Red Regal T]

You have a vivid imagination as far as George Bush is concerned. The only people who are using religion to further their goals are the radical islamics. There goal being to murder as many Americans as they can. They are truly "scary". They don't need to be imprisoned, they need to be exterminated. We have no choice but to take the war to them and destroy them. That's just what we're doing.

 

[Bobtempest]

Originally posted by JFH
Someday , probably soon, when there are more spanish speaking people in the US than there are english speaking, should we change the national language to spanish?

If I'm not mistaken the US does not have a national language, That was ever voted on or passed

JFH

I hope I am dead before this happens.
Nothing against spanish, but if I wish to speak it or learn it would be because I moved to another country.
Adapt to your land as other's expect us to if we move to their land.

We are losing our country little by little to the rest of the world.

 

[Red Regal T]

Originally posted by Red Regal T

What really scares me is the thought of these liberal liars getting back in office. The constant drumbeat of the lies in the liberal media make me sick. This country is in real danger. We are at war for our lives and all the liberals worry about is to get back in power. They are allied with our enemy.......giving aid and comfort. The country be damned as long as they get back in control.

Hey, just had the misfortune to watch Nightline on ABC. They should have called their show.......FEEL SORRY FOR THE POOR TERRORISTS BEING HELD ILLEGALLY AT GITMO. These media people, who constantly criticize the President and the government's handling of the war on terrorism, feel sorry for all our enemies. If it was up to them, they'd have them running around NYC collecting welfare payments.

 

[IRACEIT]

Evil...

Regardless of one's take on this topic one is required to acknowledge that our nation set a precedence for rescuing the world when we entered WW1 and WW2.

We cried out foul when Germany was raising up a master race with selective birth counts, and scientific breeding efforts. They used abortion to curb the birth counts of those deemed less than worthy of procreation; and when this didn't work they gassed them instead.

As a nation we should hang our heads in shame that we too allow selective procreation with a German process that allows motherhood to be avoided and dispersed in a city trashcan. This is after our nation sent it's young men to die on the many european killing fields. We adopted this process with open arms for the sake of convenience.

Our nation marched all over the world in WW2 to correct it, fix it, and improve upon it. Clearly the world has forgotten our earlier action and now requires a freshly applied American paint job. Two of the world's nations recently had their toilet bowl flushed, and flushed hard. The rest of the world is looking on with a wide open mouth in astonishment and disbelief.

Syria, Iran, and North Korea should seriously consider the American actions of Iraq and Afghanistan or get ready to have their toilet bowls flushed.

President Bush is on a roll... and he isn't done. He means every word emitted from his mouth. He has followed up on every comment he has made. We as a nation have an obligation to flush the world toilet bowl whenever an offending nation attempts to circumvent our right to exist. Take a moment sometime to read up on the threats coming out of N. Korea. The statements that they make about attacking our country directly.

Let's flush their toilet bowl.