Fingerprinting is for criminals

[Little6pack]

The wife signed me up to pass out lunch at my kids school.

They said you can't participate as a vouleenter unless you
get fingerprinted.

That is according to the loal public health & PD department.

WTF! Finger prints to pass pizza out. F_CK EM the Local goverment has gone wacky.

 

[MissingMyBuick]

You can't be too careful these days. I don't blame them one bit. I'm sure some freak pedophile would love to pass out pizza to kids.

 

[Little6pack]

I CAN SEE IF THE VOLUNTEER HAD NO KIDS IN THE SCHOOL
BUT PARENTS WITH KIDS THERE & OTHER PARENTS ? NUTZ

 

[2quiktocare]

It's sad Steve, but it is a normal thing in todays society. Everyone gets so ticked if someone turns out to be a criminal, they have to do it to limit their own liability. I went to get my wholesale auto dealers license and had to get a live scan figure print done to just get it. Mark


side note: I would be more concerned with them serving pizza. Aren't they supposed to be improving the food they serve the kids?

 

[TurboTer]

Innocent people should never give up one bit of freedom due to terrorists (or other baddies). I will cut off my hands before I ever cave in to fingerprinting (unless I'm in jail and being booked, lol).

 

[gn85]

I must be a criminal then.. Must have been for years. I've had to undergo 4 FBI Criminal Background checks for various positions working with children. Am I a criminal. No. Yes, it's sad that things are that bad today, but I would rather have attempts at safety than blatant gaps in a childs safety.

BTW, with each background check, I had to be fingerprinted. Do I have children in the school I worked in. No. But I have responsibility and access to over 700 of them. I've already put myself in harms way to protect those kids and would do it again because I care. But I'm glad that somebody cares enough to make sure that I and my colleagues aren't up to other motives. Will the fingerprinting stop everyone from doing harm to children. No. And when I hear of teachers, principals, school staff, etc getting locked up for crimes against children, I say fingerprint them again AND hand out their profile/ information to every school hiring for positions.

 

[Drew L]

Background checks

Commonplace. If you want to be a Little League, Pop Warner, Youth basketball, Soccer coach they do a background check. I don't see the problem. Would we want criminals serving pizza to our children? I'd think not. Maybe the Church should follow suit Drew

 

[Vector]

In order to teach, or rather to legally be left alone in a classroom of minors, you must be certified by the state. Part of that process is a criminal background check and for that you must be finger-printed.
As a volunteer (to pass out pizza), you technically shouldn't be left alone with minors, so you legally do NOT need to be finger printed. You are a victim of paranoid society.
In my opinion, treating children like such delicate things that have to be so protected boarders on abuse. Children should be raised with the necessary tools to handle themselves in society. That is to say, they shouldn't be raised to be whimps - in my opinion.

gn85, I checked PM's and found no new messages.

 

[XLR8]

I'm starting a new job next week - not dealing with kids - and I will need to get fingerprinted and pee in a cup.

 

[Drew L]

Ever hear of the term Preditor?

How many tools can we give a six year old? Drew

 

[Little6pack]

I told the wife don't frigging sign up Mr Mom (me) for anymore stupid nonsense that involves a NON CRIMINAL record citizen to have my prints taken for doing nothing wrong!

PIZZA duty is off.. It is the schools loss.

Gee i wonder if the delivery driver from the local pizza parlor has to get fingerprinted because he is dropping off the 20 pies to the school

I am surpried the goverment has not come up with the idea of branding us like cattle

 

[Drew L]

No good deed goes unpunished

You didn't do anything wrong but plenty of others have. Are we supposed to check the backgrounds of people providing services? Good question. If you want to ensure your level of protection you do. If you don't, let the chips fall where they may. Wal-Mart is under investigation because the companies Wal-Mart hired illegal aliens to do Wal-Marts cleaning. Different but similar in nature. Are we supposedd to check peoples backgrounds that come to our house to put on a new roof or do some carpeting? Ask yourself this, would I leave my children in the company of unknowns? The part that is hard to swallow is the volunteer part. That aside, being fingerprinted to work with children for a childs protection is not unreasonable. Let's see how long we can keep our mouths shut when an abduction or another unthinkable act is committed by an unchecked volunteer in a school. I can hear the outrage know, "Why didn't these volunteers have background checks!" You see how that goes...............Off my soapbox now and God Bless America! Drew

 

[2quiktocare]

You are right Drew, we are supposed to have total faith in these people and as in most cases, a few make it hard on everyone else. The thing is with Wal-Mart is that the company they hired to do their maintenenceare are the ones that dropped the ball on background checks, and now Wal-Mart is being reemed over it. Just more of the current attitude to demeanize anything or anyone that is truly successful. Mark

 

[Drew L]

Be civic minded , get those fingerprints taken and help out the community. They need you. Drew

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by gn85
I must be a criminal then.. Must have been for years. I've had to undergo 4 FBI Criminal Background checks for various positions working with children. Am I a criminal. No. Yes, it's sad that things are that bad today, but I would rather have attempts at safety than blatant gaps in a childs safety.

BTW, with each background check, I had to be fingerprinted. Do I have children in the school I worked in. No. But I have responsibility and access to over 700 of them. I've already put myself in harms way to protect those kids and would do it again because I care. But I'm glad that somebody cares enough to make sure that I and my colleagues aren't up to other motives. Will the fingerprinting stop everyone from doing harm to children. No. And when I hear of teachers, principals, school staff, etc getting locked up for crimes against children, I say fingerprint them again AND hand out their profile/ information to every school hiring for positions.

No, you're not a criminal, but the goverenment is treating you like one. I don't mean to sound like a heartless, no-good, SOB, but I put my (and everyone elses) Constitutional rights far before and child. Pretty soon the goverenment will be able to track every postal stamp that goes out. Of course you people will say that's good, until they one day come for you.

Also, I understand certain jobs should fingerprint. I don't have a problem with the FBI, Secret Service, etc. fingerprinting new workers (sorry if I sound like I'm caving in, patriot/militia crowd, but you know I love you).

 

[TurboTer]

Re: Background checks

Originally posted by Drew L
Commonplace. If you want to be a Little League, Pop Warner, Youth basketball, Soccer coach they do a background check. I don't see the problem. Would we want criminals serving pizza to our children? I'd think not. Maybe the Church should follow suit Drew

Pizza??? Going a little far there? I don't see any problem at all with criminals serving pizza. There are no background checks for pizza that I know of, but there should be one (and only one). To be Italian.

Getting that humor out of the way, I agree that pedophiles shouldn't be around any job with kids. But I also believe any man that touches an 8 year old should NEVER be let out of jail again.

 

[TurboTer]

Re: No good deed goes unpunished

Originally posted by Drew L
You didn't do anything wrong but plenty of others have. Are we supposed to check the backgrounds of people providing services? Good question. If you want to ensure your level of protection you do. If you don't, let the chips fall where they may. Wal-Mart is under investigation because the companies Wal-Mart hired illegal aliens to do Wal-Marts cleaning. Different but similar in nature. Are we supposedd to check peoples backgrounds that come to our house to put on a new roof or do some carpeting? Ask yourself this, would I leave my children in the company of unknowns? The part that is hard to swallow is the volunteer part. That aside, being fingerprinted to work with children for a childs protection is not unreasonable. Let's see how long we can keep our mouths shut when an abduction or another unthinkable act is committed by an unchecked volunteer in a school. I can hear the outrage know, "Why didn't these volunteers have background checks!" You see how that goes...............Off my soapbox now and God Bless America! Drew

The topic is fingerprinting, not background checks. Of course companies should require state ID and Social Security cars before they hire. Certain jobs that call for it should also check to see if a person has a criminal record. But fingerprinting is out of the question.

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by XLR8
I'm starting a new job next week - not dealing with kids - and I will need to get fingerprinted and pee in a cup.

Define a predator. We all (I hope!) agree that anyone who sexually abuses a little kid is a monster and should rot in jail (or die), but what about a 27 year old who has sex with a girl 1 year under their state's age of consent? According to certain states, that would make you a predator, which is a total joke. No one who boings a 17 year old (if your state has the "18 is legal" law) should be forever denied the ability to bo within two blocks of a school, or go door to every time he moves and tell his neighbors he's a sexual predator. Guess what? That's wat this police state is coming to. You guys need a lesson in the Constitution. I suggest you start reading Congressman Ron Paul's (R-Texas) speeches. One of VERY few in power who actually care about this country and the Constitution.

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by littlesixsteve
I told the wife don't frigging sign up Mr Mom (me) for anymore stupid nonsense that involves a NON CRIMINAL record citizen to have my prints taken for doing nothing wrong!

PIZZA duty is off.. It is the schools loss.

Gee i wonder if the delivery driver from the local pizza parlor has to get fingerprinted because he is dropping off the 20 pies to the school

I am surpried the goverment has not come up with the idea of branding us like cattle

You are a true patriot. You put your country ahead of work. I commend and salute you for it.

 

[gn85]

Originally posted by TurboTer
No, you're not a criminal, but the goverenment is treating you like one. I don't mean to sound like a heartless, no-good, SOB, but I put my (and everyone elses) Constitutional rights far before and child. Pretty soon the goverenment will be able to track every postal stamp that goes out. Of course you people will say that's good, until they one day come for you.

Also, I understand certain jobs should fingerprint. I don't have a problem with the FBI, Secret Service, etc. fingerprinting new workers (sorry if I sound like I'm caving in, patriot/militia crowd, but you know I love you).

OK.. you said it yourself and I'm going to go with it. You said certain jobs like FBI, Secret Service, etc should have criminal background checks. I don't see why 'teachers' shouldn't have to undergo the same thing. I went to college for many years to be a teacher and I'm acutely aware of what legal infractions could put my career in serious jeopardy. Not to mention thrown in jail.

It's no secret that I don't agree with your 'politics'. With that being said, I'll extend this compromise.

Agree with....

--Putting sex offenders in jail and letting them rot there!!! I have no problem with that! Not treating those who are sleeping with a 17 year old when they are not much older as criminals! Yes, the saying is true.. 15 will get ya 20. And everyone should know that and be careful of that. Won't catch me sleeping with any 17 years olds any time soon. But I think that is more of a minor (pardon the pun) infraction.

--As for serving pizza. Fingerprinting.. hrmm.. just as a volunteer thing. I'm sure that's the law and it does seem a bit steep. I do know in many schools if you volunteer in the school you simply need to show identification, sign in and out of the building and have a visitors badge. I hope signing a piece of paper isn't too much to ask!!! Still fingerprinting for that to me isn't a big deal. If it is a big deal to you.. simply don't volunteer.

--It was mentioned that kids are TOO protected in our society. That they shouldn't be so sheltered and actually exposed more to the 'real' world. I would partially agree with that. Kids are very much over protected. To a point that a kid with a gun can walk into a school, kill ten people and know that the courts will have most likely take pity on him, try him as a juvenile and he'll get a slap on the wrist. Trust me, I've worked with kids that should have the snot kicked outta them. But I've also worked with a lot more kids that don't deserve any such treatment, yet there are adults who will still cause harm to children. So.. for that reason, yes children should be protected still.

Disagree with...

--Teachers and/or persons working with children not being checked out thoroughly. As you said, they should let these creeps rot behind bars. But they don't. Some were never behind bars to begin with but have arrest warrants as long as this post. I don't want some WANTED possibly dangerous sex offender working in the same school with children that I do. Once again, I have nothing to hide and as a part of my job, this is something I need to do and will do gladly to prove that I am not a threat to these children.

--Holding the rights of our Constitution above that of children. Nobody is saying take away your rights. But do children deserve less?? Do children deserve lesser grades of protection because you don't want anybody to see what your fingerprints are?? It is NOT that big of a deal. If the government wanted your fingerprints that bad, they'd just wait until you take your trash out, take a soda can and lift the prints off of that! There are a hundred ways to get your prints. WHO CARES!! You get locked up for something they're going to take your prints anyways.

OK.. I'm glad I got this out. Agree with me or not. It doesn't matter. Deal with it as you need to. If serving pizza isn't that important then don't do it. Problem solved. If it is that important... get a job at Pizza Hut and you can serve as much pizza to children as you want.