Going MAF less, it's not just for your race car anymore.

[dpok69]

Damn! Can't wait!!!! i was gonna go with the translator+ and those expensive (Lt1?)mafs when my original maf dies. But now i can by this ME chip and save money at the same time.

 

[Steve Y]

LOL Go with the translator plus.....give o'l Bob some business. It works good

Besides, keep in mind Bob is helping me put himself out of some business and I ain't gonna let that happen.
There is a point where the maf becomes a restriction and I think it would be fair to limit this to cars that can really benefit from it.......in most cases but not all.


Steve

 

[FJM568]

Just throwing out questions...not any type of flame or anything...Probably sometime in the future(when I get called back to work, currently laid off ), I will probably look into getting a ME(of some version or another) for one of my cars...

Thanks for developing these new products for our cars!!! It's amazing what can be thought up and developed...simply amazing!!!

 

[bruce]

Originally posted by Steve Y
LOL Go with the translator plus.....give o'l Bob some business. It works good
Besides, keep in mind Bob is helping me put himself out of some business and I ain't gonna let that happen.
There is a point where the maf becomes a restriction and I think it would be fair to limit this to cars that can really benefit from it.......in most cases but not all.
Steve

Mike Pitts posted some years ago that a MAF was costing him 30HP on a 700 HPish engine. He had tuned the engine with a DFI, and was removing the MAF as the only change. It does get to be a restriction, when you DRAW thru it.

But, that kind of changes when you go to a blow thru.

To really reduce it's restriction, assuming your using the LT1 style MAF, means removing the screen, vane, and recalibrating the MAF scalers and tables.

So we then get to talent.

To win with a 148 means knowing it's strong points and weaknesses. That is the key. I'd bet either in the hands of equal tuners would be even.

MAF and MAP both have their weaknesses. If you look at the tables, it becomes painfully obvious that MAF has much better low speed resolution then MAP. Sooo, there MIGHT, and I mean MIGHT be an edge with MAP, as far as that single element goes.

Downside to MAP is that it really isn't good at baro.. If you run a Baro input things get better, but gads it gets complicated (to me anyway). Then again most guys get the Baro corrections backwards anyway.

Bottom line, having the ability to adjust things, and which way to go with the adjustments is the way to go.

Course I run batch fire, and too many ignition coils......

Then again, carrying two proms isn't that big of deal....

Ya that's it buy both!!!!!
The ultimate ticket...............

 

[PRSRIZD_V6]

Originally posted by BLACK6PACK
I think I need to send mine back and have the timing turned up.

YOu could add a MAFT+ and have control of timing as well. I think SalvageV6 does this and has had some success, don't quote me on that though..

That would be advantageous if you would be flipping between alky and race gas, or any combonation in between.

 

[BLACK6PACK]

PRSRIZD_V6,
You bring up a good point. How would you run the the MAF translator plus with a ME chip? The key to the traslator is the chip, but when your running the ME you are in conflict. Does Steve Y plug the programming into the ME chip for the translator?

 

[PRSRIZD_V6]

Honestly I haven't got a clue, I thought the extender chip was the chip, and the translator was plug and play.

 

[elevensecgn]

The Translater has been used sucessfully with previous Max Effort chips, when guys wanted to use the Chevy Maf. There would be no reason to use the Trans plus hardware with the Max E chip, as the Trans + hardware, requires the trans plus chip to function. There is nothing in the Max E chip that would work with the Trans + functions.

Max E 16 = relies on a maf
Max E-R 16 = no maf needed

So since the Max E-R doesn't even use a maf, there would be no point is having a translater whatsoever with it.
Now if a guy wanted to get really creative, and complicate things, I believe that the Dis 4 or whatever MSD calls their "megavolt bugzapper thingamajig" that many guys run on our cars, does have some sort of timing adjustments available in it along with a stutter too for the bracket racers. Since it is a standalone unit that just ties into our existing module, I would imagine it would work with "ANY" chip.

If you need the timing changed in your Max E, that can be done, but you'll have to send it to Steve. I don't know what timing you have in yours, but his default seems to work fine for most guys.

Again, as I mentioned earlier, this mafless chip is not for everyone. It is a great new developement, and should work fine in the right hands for the right application. But there are lots of ways to get a car down the road, and down the track. Many are well proven. Some may require more tuning savy that others.

All I know for sure is my car's runnin "fine" right now



Dwight Hayden

 

[PRSRIZD_V6]

I had thought before that someone was runnning the ME with the translator plus, but I was wrong. Take note, it won't happen again

I agree with Dwight, it is not needed for everyone and though it may earn some cool points for having no MAF, why bother shooting a dead horse? A gutted MAF flows plenty of air otherwise modified ones have been in the 9s

 

[Steve Wood]

Some claim that the timing functions of the Xlator Plus work with the ME. I don't have a Plus so I am only repeating what Salvage v6 and others have posted.
If this is true, it is the wot fueling options that don't work.

The ME Xlator version works very well with the Translator. Many of the Extender options have been existent in the ME for many years so no substantial functions are lost by using the ME that I am aware of.

As Dwight pointed out, The Translator is not used on a mafless car.

 

[elevensecgn]

Originally posted by Steve Wood
Some claim that the timing functions of the Xlator Plus work with the ME. I don't have a Plus so I am only repeating what Salvage v6 and others have posted.
If this is true, it is the wot fueling options that don't work.

Ok, that would make sense. The timing function of the T Plus
may not require the extender chip, just the fueling. If so, then you could play with your timing with it and fool with the fuel via the thumbwheel.

I dunno, I got all the 'justments I need for now, much more and I would get bumfuzzled, the older I get the easier it is to cunfuse me

 

[Steve Wood]

I don't see the need either but then I am old and stupid!

 

[PRSRIZD_V6]

Originally posted by Steve Wood
I don't see the need either but then I am old and stupid!

Don't be so hard on yourself, you're not really THAT old. I can't speak for the rest of the statement though.

 

[BLACK6PACK]

All I know is that it would be nice to play with timing. I was able to run 25 lbs of boost with the race setting on the ME, so I have really no room to move if I run race gas, other than 30 lbs of boost!!!

 

[PRSRIZD_V6]

I'm not totally sure about this, and no flame is intended, but shouldn't a PTE-54 just be waking up at 23-24psi? Why not bump the boost up?

 

[BLACK6PACK]

Yep, thats what I heard about the 54. 25-26 is all I can run with alky. I'm afraid to turn the timing down and turn the boost up to 30 on alky.

 

[elevensecgn]

Pardon my little knowlege of "alcoholism :^) , but if you can run 24 to 26 # of boost on alky, I'd think you can run the same or more on good race gas (without the alky). Now if you are planning on running alky AND race gas, then the sky's and your wallet is probably the limit of boost you can run. If that is the case, I would still keep the timing at 26 or below and crank up the boost. But then again I've never ran alky and race gas, so It's just speculation anyway on my part.

If you do run alky with race gas be sure to let us know how it works out. Curious minds want to know

Dwight Hayden

 

[bruce]

The translator Plus will work with any chip.

For the full features of extended range of MAF tuning you need the EXTENDER Chip.

I see nothing that would prevent, using the Translator plus for timing, and the ME for fuel, and base timing.

The Translator Plus intercepts the wiring from the ecm to the ignition module, so it's in no way chip related.

 

[BLACK6PACK]

Thanks bruce,
That is what I needed to know.

I hadn't planned on running race gas and alky. Since I have the ME and 2 timing setups, I need to have it set up so that I can use both timing modes. Right now I am using the race settings with 93 and alky, so when I do run strait race gas, all I have for adjustment is boost, other than the million and one things the ME lets you adjust.

I guess I should play around with it some more, to see what I can get out of it, and how it reacts to different input before I send it back for timing changes. Maybe it will run better on 93, alky, lower timing (19*)and major boost (30psi), than it did with higher timing (23*) and 25 lbs of boost.

 

[c&cgn]

Originally posted by BLACK6PACK

I guess I should play around with it some more, to see what I can get out of it, and how it reacts to different input before I send it back for timing changes. Maybe it will run better on 93, alky, lower timing (19*)and major boost (30psi), than it did with higher timing (23*) and 25 lbs of boost.

I might have missed it elsewhere in this thread but what are you best ET's and mph in the 1/4?

Looking at your setup and the timing and boost involved I would think you should be around 11.20's @ 120mph or so.