Grooms Engines

[bison]

arn't all their motors .040 ???

If they are then i wouldnt even consder one for that reason.

 

[excobraguy]

If they are then i wouldnt even consder one for that reason.

OK, to clear up a few items and get everone on the same page, I own the car now that Marc posted the pictures from. He installed the Grooms engine and then sold the car to someone else in New York in January of this year. I bought the car from that guy in May of this year. I too was wondering why they bored it out so much, .040 over seems like overkill, unless the block was that bad. Let's just say I'm having some troubles right now with the engine, not sure if they are Grooms related problems or not but the engine has less than 3-4k on it and I'm praying it's not serious. I posted the problem in another thread related to missing coolant and a possible blown head gasket........

 

[artrenee10]

OK, to clear up a few items and get everone on the same page, I own the car now that Marc posted the pictures from. He installed the Grooms engine and then sold the car to someone else in New York in January of this year. I bought the car from that guy in May of this year. I too was wondering why they bored it out so much, .040 over seems like overkill, unless the block was that bad. Let's just say I'm having some troubles right now with the engine, not sure if they are Grooms related problems or not but the engine has less than 3-4k on it and I'm praying it's not serious. I posted the problem in another thread related to missing coolant and a possible blown head gasket........

Save your money and your time, start looking around for a KNOWN pro to rebuild your motor.

Steve Chambers

 

[excobraguy]

Save your money and your time, start looking around for a KNOWN pro to rebuild your motor.

Steve Chambers

????? Rebuild the motor for a blown head gasket on a motor with barely 3000 miles? Sorry, I don't understand where this comment comes from. I pulled the passenger side head off today and all is fine with the block and the head, just got a bad head gasket is all........I can have it fixed in no time as soon as I get the parts in I need........

 

[artrenee10]

????? Rebuild the motor for a blown head gasket on a motor with barely 3000 miles? Sorry, I don't understand where this comment comes from. I pulled the passenger side head off today and all is fine with the block and the head, just got a bad head gasket is all........I can have it fixed in no time as soon as I get the parts in I need........

Im sorry I didn't know a blown head gasket was the only problem you were having....but answer me this, WHY do you have a blown headgasket on a master that only has 3000 mi on a rebuild? I don't think that bodes well for you in terms of longevity and stability.....

 

[pm87tb]

Did you find out what the lifter noise was? my buddy had his motor built by grooms and he had a lifter tick less then 1500 mls sent that engine back at his expense and the 2nd new motor developed the same tick 1200 mls only this one was worst then the first one come to find out the cam wiped out a lobe and the crank was shot needless to say his motor was rebuilt by a local well known to buicks so hopelly he will have better luck this time...

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

4100 dollars for a V6 block, with a crank and some pistons? Wow, that thing better run low tens, and last for 130,000 miles...

 

[chrisgarrett]

Without naming names, I recently contacted 5 or 6 well-known and highly- regarded engine builders on these forums and, generally speaking, I will tell you that the going price for a short block is between $6.5K and $9K. Now for the most part, this includes a roller cam, girdle, and stroker kit. Time frames were 6 to 12 months.
Having said all that, I will gladly pay these amounts for these certain people to build me an engine. I would NEVER buy another Grooms engine.

 

[excobraguy]

Without naming names, I recently contacted 5 or 6 well-known and highly- regarded engine builders on these forums and, generally speaking, I will tell you that the going price for a short block is between $6.5K and $9K. Now for the most part, this includes a roller cam, girdle, and stroker kit. Time frames were 6 to 12 months.
Having said all that, I will gladly pay these amounts for these certain people to build me an engine. I would NEVER buy another Grooms engine.

Ya know, I am developing this sentiment more and more each day. I have the car that Marc87GN built, using the Grooms engine. It has 3500 miles on it and I will be yanking it out for a rebuild. I have only ran the car 3 times at the track, prior to that I am not sure what he did with the car. It has only had AMSoil in it and it has completely wiped the cam lobes. Just frustrated as I would have thought the engine would have had better part than what it does for $4100.........

 

[excobraguy]

Im sorry I didn't know a blown head gasket was the only problem you were having....but answer me this, WHY do you have a blown headgasket on a master that only has 3000 mi on a rebuild? I don't think that bodes well for you in terms of longevity and stability.....

Yep, I ended up having more problems, see next post...........

 

[excobraguy]

Did you find out what the lifter noise was? my buddy had his motor built by grooms and he had a lifter tick less then 1500 mls sent that engine back at his expense and the 2nd new motor developed the same tick 1200 mls only this one was worst then the first one come to find out the cam wiped out a lobe and the crank was shot needless to say his motor was rebuilt by a local well known to buicks so hopelly he will have better luck this time...

Yep, wiped cam lobes.......I'm going to put in a roller cam and be done with it.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

thats gotta suck. i hope you have more luck in the future. I know the value of doing it right the first time, but dam is it expensive lol. 5 grand for a shortblock? thats half the price i paid for my entire gn, and my cars nice too. I hope I can find a cheaper price lol.

 

[excobraguy]

thats gotta suck. i hope you have more luck in the future. I know the value of doing it right the first time, but dam is it expensive lol. 5 grand for a shortblock? thats half the price i paid for my entire gn, and my cars nice too. I hope I can find a cheaper price lol.

Yep, when I'm done with it I will have to ask as much as a GNX to sell it! Hmmm, my profile name is excobraguy, maybe I should change it to exgnguy and go back to the svt boards :biggrin:

 

[WHEEZER]

Everybody has their opinions, here's mine. I bought a Grooms forged bottom end shortblock 3 years ago..I'm sure Grumpy, Chris Garrett and others remember it. I have absolutely HAMMERED this engine. First with a TE44,009 injectors, and several other mods, and for the last year with a TE45a, Champion heads, 65lb injectors. There is a SLIGHT lifter tick at idle ( I have heard big name builders engine tick this much and more) hot oil idle is 20 lbs, road pressure at around 55-60 mpg is 40 lbs. cold start pressure is 60-70 lbs. This engine is .30 over I noticed due to replacing headgaskets from not enough octane and too much boost once, and once for hooking up "y" connection from wastegate backwards..again no boost controll. It may blow to hell the next time I crank it but I can't slam Grooms having had no problems. The owner Doug Groom is a Grand National owner of several years. Just for peace of mind or to satisfy "posers" who only have to have brand names to be satisfied, I *may* buy from Dan Strezos who I believe to be top notch or if money is tight I may do another Grooms. It is strictly up to the buyer to decide. Do your homework and then follow your gut.

 

[WHEEZER]

Ya know, I am developing this sentiment more and more each day. I have the car that Marc87GN built, using the Grooms engine. It has 3500 miles on it and I will be yanking it out for a rebuild. I have only ran the car 3 times at the track, prior to that I am not sure what he did with the car. It has only had AMSoil in it and it has completely wiped the cam lobes. Just frustrated as I would have thought the engine would have had better part than what it does for $4100.........

He could have easily wiped a lobe at start-up and breakin.....Amsoil would be a definite NO-NO in an engine of mine, especially during cam break-in and first 600-700 miles.

 

[Nick Micale]

......... It has only had AMSoil in it and it has completely wiped the cam lobes. .........

Another synthetic oil user [not you!] and a wiped cam?

Gives credibility to all the cam makers that state do NOT use synthetic oil with a flat tappet cam.

 

[salvageV6]

Is grooms engines or a distributor of theirs a paying vendor on this site?