I got walked by a Chevy Baretta...

[darkred87T]

19psi, no locked converter, and a 98 Extender. I started out where he was, and with just a few mods like timming and Alky, my runs greatly improved.

 

[Adam Connell]

19psi, no locked converter, and a 98 Extender. I started out where he was, and with just a few mods like timming and Alky, my runs greatly improved.

Hey how big of a difference did the thdp make? I know it is completely overkill, but Im waiting on a downpipe until the RJC 5in-3.5in dp comes out and the reviews come out... I really like Jason's products and would gladly give his DP a try. I got my boost controller from him today, and I really like how the power is distributed now. My boost definately comes on much sooner with less lag. This thing is quickly turning into a street killer. :biggrin:

 

[darkred87T]

My THDP made a big difference and the way it ran. I can't give you that estimate in ET but I do know the stock DP is a huge restriction. The THDP eliminates the elbow from the turbo and bolts right to the turbo itslef. It also has a built in waste gate.

 

[GregInAtl]

After seeing a Geo storm run 10.9@140 (with a GEO motor)I believe ANY car can be made fast... The Barettas werent slow to begin with. Give me a GTZ and a 100 shot, And I'll work a mostly stock GN.... I did w/ a stock jetta w/ boost set @23psi.... at the track.

 

[FlyinGN]

First of all there is no such car company as GEO. Its another car line rebadged. Suzuki, Toyota have been them in the past.. The Storm was made by Isuzu.

A GTZ is a regular beretta with big wheels. same motor.

After seeing a Geo storm run 10.9@140 (with a GEO motor)I believe ANY car can be made fast... The Barettas werent slow to begin with. Give me a GTZ and a 100 shot, And I'll work a mostly stock GN.... I did w/ a stock jetta w/ boost set @23psi.... at the track.

 

[GNVAIR]

First of all there is no such car company as GEO. Its another car line rebadged. Suzuki, Toyota have been them in the past.. The Storm was made by Isuzu.

A GTZ is a regular beretta with big wheels. same motor.

A GTZ was more that ground effects and big wheels. They came with sport seats, FE7 active suspension and from 90-92 came with the 190 horsepower 2.3 liter Quad 4. They only came with the Getrag 282 5 speed manual. The last year for a GTZ was 1993 and they were available with the Quad 4 or the 140 horse power 3.1 V6 with an automatic. Stock the Quad 4 Berettas were very capable of high 14's low 15's. There are guy with them running high 13's naturally aspirated as well as some that are turbo charged.
The stock 3.1 V6 from 90-93 with the 5 speed were capable of running mid 15's. I know because I have one that I drive every day. Now GM replaced the old 3.1 V6 with the 3100 starting in 1994. The 3100 was 160 horsepower thanks to the addition of a hydraulic roller cam, better heads and intake. The 3400 is a dirivative of the 3100 thanks to a larger bore. The 3400 is rated at 175-190 horses depending on what vehicle it came in. The 3400 swap is a very popular swap with the Beretta and Cavalier guys. People have done the 3800 swap, but it is not common because most of them make similar power with the 3400. Most of them that do it using a 5 speed car run very high 13's to mid 14's. There are a few guys building their own turbo set ups using the stock electronics doing their own chip tuning. The ecm's used in the Berettas and Cavaliers is similar to the one GM used in the Sy/Ty's with a MemCal. There are a number of 12 second turbo charged Berettas and Cavaliers. Some on spray and some with turbos.
So IMHO, there is a VERY good possibility that there are some fast ones out there as they are under 2700lbs.

 

[Pronto]

I really don't understand all the doubting Thomases out there. People look at the Turbo Buick and say no way it can run XX in the quarter mile for 6 but we do. With some careful planning and some homemade ingenuity lots of guys are making everyday street cars into some capable performance cars. Sure, there are easier ways to make a "performance" car faster but again, there's nothing as cool as a sleeper.
BTW there is a GEO Storm. Welcome to the Geo Storm Owners Club

 

[FlyinGN]

we doubt cause we know better. Show me a stock 3400 Beretta in the 13's and Ill buy it and sell my GN

 

[GNVAIR]

go here V6Z24.com - Moon's Cavalier Z24 Page - Home or here Beretta.Net: The ultimate on-line Beretta resource or here BerettaStuff.com & BerettaXtreme.com Forum (Powered by Invision Power Board)
You can doubt all you want, but they are out there. Just because you never saw one doesnt mean that it doesnt happen. Kicker is many of those guys have cars with less than $5k into them running the numbers. It is not rocket science as they are also V6's which actually have better flowing heads than the Buick 3.8 and they are in cars that are upwards of 1,000lbs lighter. I know would have never believed it myself, but I do keep an open mind because I have seen worse things going fast.

 

[GNVAIR]

Link to the post on one of the Beretta boards BerettaStuff.com & BerettaXtreme.com Forum -> Beretta Vs. Modified Grand National

 

[Adam Connell]

Now that makes me mad... he makes my car sound so hopped up...

Ugh... time to respond with my real setup...

 

[FlyinGN]

get em adam.... and if you lose again, your car has serious issues.. lol

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

From what I have seen and from the way I used to think.
Most guys I come across are into one type of car or just follow one or two types of cars.
Example
I was into Toyotas and Mazdas
I thought they were the fastest and best things on the planet
Until the Mustangs and GN’s start it walking me down.

Until some of these guys start racing against what ever lines up next to them, they won’t accept that there are other types of fast cars out there.

Also what I see in street racing from some “racers with fast cars” is
1-Extream Selective racing - only race if they think they will win
2-lots of excuses on why they lost - tires, boost, tune what ever.

I did a good amount of racing and I raced anything and everything that lined up next to me. Because of that I lost lots of races.
Not like some guys out there.
Any way good luck on the next one.

 

[GNVAIR]

From what I have seen and from the way I used to think.
Most guys I come across are into one type of car or just follow one or two types of cars.
Example
I was into Toyotas and Mazdas
I thought they were the fastest and best things on the planet
Until the Mustangs and GN’s start it walking me down.

Until some of these guys start racing against what ever lines up next to them, they won’t accept that there are other types of fast cars out there.

Also what I see in street racing from some “racers with fast cars” is
1-Extream Selective racing - only race if they think they will win
2-lots of excuses on why they lost - tires, boost, tune what ever.

I did a good amount of racing and I raced anything and everything that lined up next to me. Because of that I lost lots of races.
Not like some guys out there.
Any way good luck on the next one.

Couldnt have said it better myself. Racing is racing. If you chase you race which means if you went for it then you are racing and if you lost, then you lost. Last time I checked, the first person who gets to whatever the designated finish line is the winner.
I recently saw a turbo awd Mitsu Eclipse take out a very fast Mustang out at a local race. Funny thing was there were no Buicks willing to take the challenge. Rumor had it that the Eclipse had run 9.20's-9.30's. Definitely was a neat thing to watch.

 

[Westside500]

Couldnt have said it better myself. Racing is racing. If you chase you race which means if you went for it then you are racing and if you lost, then you lost. Last time I checked, the first person who gets to whatever the designated finish line is the winner.
I recently saw a turbo awd Mitsu Eclipse take out a very fast Mustang out at a local race. Funny thing was there were no Buicks willing to take the challenge. Rumor had it that the Eclipse had run 9.20's-9.30's. Definitely was a neat thing to watch.

Beat a Mustang.. ... we have a 85 coupe with a tiny 302 that would take some of that!

 

[GNVAIR]

Beat a Mustang.. ... we have a 85 coupe with a tiny 302 that would take some of that!

That wasnt my point home boy. There are a lot of 8 second cars out here. My point was that there is a car that shouldnt be fast rolling around cracking cars that should be fast.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

even the guys on that beretta board said there was something wrong with your car lol.
theres probably about 60% of turbo regals out there, that still have about 20-40 horses in their combo, left untapped, because they think theyve exhausted every possible solution... think again.. theres more in it.
Theres always more left. trust me. i know a guy on this board, that was runnin i believe mid 12's, with not a whole lot done to his car.
Theres several people in the michigan buick turbo club, that run dam quick, with the least amount of mods ive seen.. I guarantee you, that with that same combo, a MTBC member would have beat that chevy.
At any rate, we all have things to learn, and thats how we do it. we guage ourselves against others out there, and we incorporate that into our learning curve. things most other simple minded mustang/camaro/tuner drivers dont do. they just throw more hp adders on it, hopin itll go faster, when the smarter, sharper buick owners are burning the midnight oil on places like this, or putting on long johns, and freezing underneath their cars in the dead of winter, because theyre that dedicated. Thats what has separated the buick owner for some time now... We research and study, AND turn wrenches, whereas the typical street racer just walks into the local speed shop, buys something shiny with 'edlebrock' written on it, and bolts it on and goes... and still loses everytime.......to the more refined buick driver lol. dont worry, keep reading. youll beat em young danielson....

 

[JDSfastGN]

Again why is everybody ragging on his car? Its stock with a cutout and 3255a? AT 14-15 psi its not a world beater, and no matter who is tuning it. Add some race gas or alky with 24 psi and 26* timing and yes, he would beat the berreta. I can't believe how many of you fail to realize that a stockish GN on pure pump gas and 14-15 psi is not gonna trap much more than 105 at best.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

noones raggin on any car here. were just talking bout what we think cars are capable of.

 

[chopped39]

Still trying to fugure out what a 3400 SII is. If have never see one of them.