I'm a believer now, thanks Dusty and Vince

[deezdad]

James Hetfield could fart out better lyrics than Rob Zombie could write.

 

[robzombie]

Rob. From our phone and email conversations I can tell you know nothing about converters. That isn't a bad thing, 99% of the people in the car world don't either. The difference is they don't go on forums and act like they do. You go on what your converter guy told you. You took the bait and ran with it. He could tell you it's made of unicorn bone and you wouldn't know any different. That's the truth. I don't have to prove anything to you. The results are out there already. You come on here and try to beat lowball prices out of everything from converters to turbo's. You called for my opinion, I gave it to you and you didn't like it so you went elsewhere. That's fine with me, it's the great thing about business. We are free to go buy whatever we want.

You claim your worried about gas mileage with a 10 second car....if your car has ran that fast. Lets break this down. Your converter slips 0% at 70mph. Mine slips a proven 5% or less at 70mph. At 70 mph my cruise rpm is 2200, yours is 2075. Lets just say mine is 8%....that's still only 2275 rpm. How much mpg do you really think you will see in a 150-200 rpm difference? Stop and go traffic where the converter doesn't lock up. Mine slips less under those conditions, you think that might balance out those pennies your worried about?

I recommend people to keep what they have or other things to try if I feel they don't need to spend money on a converter. I spend many, many hours on the phone every week helping my fellow Buick guys out whether they need to buy anything or not. You come on every post about me and try to bash me because we don't agree. Hate to tell you but with your rep, your helping me, not hurting me......thanks Jack!!


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You were very informative when we talked and I appreciated that. I'm not pissing on you, you are a nice guy and I have no ill will towards you. I do however have a different opinion on converters than you do for what my needs are.

If I have a converter that gives me most of what I want in a converter than so be it. I prefer having a good LU that may give up a tenth or two in the 1/4 over yours from what some very reputable people who have run your converter have told me. They know more about converters than I will ever know and they are on this board and use different converters in there own cars now. They won't come out and say it in open because of the kind of crap people give me and others if they don't agree with the majority. My car sees the track less than ten miles a year versus running thousands of miles on the street every year and getting the mileage I want and still being able to beat almost everything I run against.

To each his own, but for people to piss down my throat for not agreeing with them is just plain stupid. To all that think the PTC is the best for them great Love it and enjoy it but you don't have to hate on people who see things different than you.

Dusty you are also correct that we are free to buy wherever we want, and we are also free to think whatever we want and buy whatever we think is best for our own individual needs.

The biggest reason I don't run a PTC is that I'm over 55mph 80% of the time and I'm sorry a NLU isn't the best choice for me because There is indeed to much slip and heat generated in the kind of driving I do.

I may try a PTC in the future just to see if it will be better for me, but I can't justify the price right now, and as for all the low ball prices you say I put out there. If you are referring to the 6466 that I put an offer of 1,500 on than you are out of your mind. Why anyone would pay full price [1,700/1,800] for a turbo even if it's new from someone who sat on it for a year is just plain stupid as they will not get the 12 month warranty and be stuck with a $1,700 paper weight. My offer was more than fair and to pay any more than what I offered would make me an idiot.

Do I try to get deals on parts? Sure do and if someone doesn't like an offer they can say no as far as I last checked.

I guess like you I'm entitled to my opinions and lets just leave it at that. Let's try to get along even though we don't agree on some things and move on, who knows I may even buy a converter from you some day and sing praises about it also.

I know I come across rough sometimes but I don't go out of my way to swear at people like KID FU&*in GLOCK. I have my ways and opinions and always will but I will always try to be respectful of people even if I'm on the edge with how I type my thoughts out.

I'm much better on the phone or in person than on a keyboard and you can attest to that as I was polite and grateful for your time and the advice you gave me.

I have nothing against you or the PTC, I respect you and just don't think the converter is the best for me.

Others may not say it but they are out there that have used it and didn't like it and if I could buy one and sell it and get 90% of my money back if it didn't work the way I hoped it would I would give it a shot so I would know first hand because as everyone knows that is honest with themselves, there are drawbacks and strengths to any product.

I've wasted to much of my time typing this out and tried to say what I have to so good night and take care.

 

[robzombie]

James Hetfield could fart out better lyrics than Rob Zombie could write.

Really?? Is that the best you can do?? That is like the third time you posted that line on me.

It's just a nickname that I've had for ever, I don't even listen to Rob Zombie. I do however listen to Metullica and [yes that's how I say it it's not a typo], all the time and is one of my favorite bands even though I only listen to their early stuff.

Rock on DEISELDAD!!!!

 

[deezdad]

Just takin the heat off the pressure cooker with a silly comment .. for the record Dusty doesn't try pushing one converter over the other even to a novice like me, in a recent pm about my "slow" car he recommended a less expensive 10" l/u for my mild combo, stand up guy/vendor in my book, take it easy man..

 

[robzombie]

It's all good, I wasn't on the attack, just letting the OP and others know that the NLU isn't always the right choice and yes I agree that he doesn't push a converter on anyone but what I notice is that personal attacks from him and others come about if you don't worship the 9.5 NLU. It's one thing to defend what you sell and another to thing to attack someone just because they don't agree with you.

Thanks for jumping in with your silly comment and now that I know the reason why you said that, I will just say rock on once again because sometimes it's hard to see what is being typed and know how to interpret what they are trying to convey. It happens to me all the time.

 

[turbojoe1]

Damn it, this was a good thread at 1st.

 

[BEATAV8]

into the toilet.....

 

[Dusty Bradford]

Rob, the whole reason I even replied was because of your attack in your first post, which I can see has been deleted or something. I'm not here to attack you but to use your comments and opinions to educate others on what makes up one of the most mis understood components in the turbo world.

I have absolutely no issue with you or your opinion. What I have an issue with is your comments about something you know nothing about. #1 being what's inside of a converter. I could put 2 converters side by side and you would have no clue which one was better or which one was stronger. You'd probably pick one with the shiniest parts which means absolutely nothing.

The 9.5 isn't for everyone which is why I sell more LU's than anything. I won't lean towards a 9.5NLU until certain criteria are met. I even change some of the components when a car is going to be well into the 10's but still driven frequently. Even then, if a guy calls wanting a converter to run 10.50's but has it turned down to run 11.80 I could replace that 9.5 NLU with a $400 converter from Jeg's and run faster because the converter benefits aren't being utilized. In cases where a user won't see the benefit's, I put them in a different converter. What makes the PTC converter one of the front runners is because I raced and drove GN's for years and know what's needed. I could have the same results if I wanted to sell Vigilante, Circle-D, Revmax, Yank...etc.

You continue to come into others posts who have experienced the NLU with no downsides and can't believe how well they drive. I have gotten tired of it and will respond to your non sense.

 

[robzombie]

Rob, the whole reason I even replied was because of your attack in your first post, which I can see has been deleted or something. I'm not here to attack you but to use your comments and opinions to educate others on what makes up one of the most mis understood components in the turbo world.

I have absolutely no issue with you or your opinion. What I have an issue with is your comments about something you know nothing about. #1 being what's inside of a converter. I could put 2 converters side by side and you would have no clue which one was better or which one was stronger. You'd probably pick one with the shiniest parts which means absolutely nothing.

The 9.5 isn't for everyone which is why I sell more LU's than anything. I won't lean towards a 9.5NLU until certain criteria are met. I even change some of the components when a car is going to be well into the 10's but still driven frequently. Even then, if a guy calls wanting a converter to run 10.50's but has it turned down to run 11.80 I could replace that 9.5 NLU with a $400 converter from Jeg's and run faster because the converter benefits aren't being utilized. In cases where a user won't see the benefit's, I put them in a different converter. What makes the PTC converter one of the front runners is because I raced and drove GN's for years and know what's needed. I could have the same results if I wanted to sell Vigilante, Circle-D, Revmax, Yank...etc.

You continue to come into others posts who have experienced the NLU with no downsides and can't believe how well they drive. I have gotten tired of it and will respond to your non sense.

First off I deleted nothing in that post or any other posts because I stand by what I say and if I make a mistake I will correct it in the open for all to see as I know that I make mistakes and am not perfect and neither is anyone else in this world let alone this board.

When I first spoke to you I did know very little about converters and since that time have done my homework to better understand them and how the work. I've read many articles and talked to many people who are as knowledgeable as you or more since that first conversation. You are wrong about which one I'd pick, I prefer UNICORN bone over shiny parts any day of the week. You can continue to insult me as much as you wish, but I will be a better person than that and steer clear of personal attacks.

I take the time to better understand things I know little about, not just take one persons word or advice and say okay thanks I now know everything there is to know about it.

I unlike you, do respect you and what you do. I have never bashed you or the PTC by saying it's not a good converter or that you are selling pixie dust infused converters that will solve all needs, just that it's not ideal for all people or their driving styles. I know the 9.5NLU would perform okay in my car and I would have went that way if I had more of a track car versus a street car that sees the track.

On the street or the track the determining factor would be the driver between the converter I use and a 9.5NLU because we are talking about a few tenths in the difference of performance between the two.

For you to come and bash me or what I use makes you look foolish as you have no clue on how my converter performs. I at least have the testimony of some other buick builders who have used/raced and sold both converters. I also have seen the inside of a 9.5NLU and aside from the stator there is no magic in there except that the tolerances are where they need to be to make it work. Everything else is off the shelf and I'm not saying that's bad, it's just what it is.

For most peoples needs the PTC is overkill at best and just bragging rights on the board at worst when paired up in a car that really could benefit from a good LU converter.

I just don't understand what all the fuss is about, The 9.5NLU is a converter that is a track converter that can see some street duty but still can't replace a good LU unit that would be used for street duty that can handle the track.

We're basically splitting atoms here and are not that far apart from reality on what converters can do and we should be able to be civil when we agree to disagree.

I've got to go now my unicorn bone soup is over boiling and I need to get it off the stove.

PS; Send me a PM and we'll catch up and have a beer or two later and laugh about all this lovely banter we have going on in this thread.

 

[SloGN]

I've spent a lot of money on my car and struggled with buying a second converter, let's face it, they're expensive. Dusty hooked me up with a 9.5" NLU and Vince installed it today. I'm very happy with it and will have some track times very soon. Vince Janis built my stage II trans and has always treated me very well. Vince does great work and turn around time was awesome.

I sold the TCS to a friend of mine but I need to send it out for repair first. It was making a whining noise, I haven't been driving my car because I was afraid of messing up my trans. I was also afraid of the whole non lock up converter thing but it drives fantastic. I expected a bunch of slip cruising, not the case.

Good people, thanks guys.

I couldn't believe how dustys converter acts in the street over my tcs 9x11 converter...

I managed to push the 9x11 into the high nines. But the amount of slip on the top end was huge.....

The coupling of dustys converter is amazing yet it stalls up fantastic when staging.



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[SloGN]

I recommend people to keep what they have or other things to try if I feel they don't need to spend money on a converter. I spend many, many hours on the phone every week helping my fellow Buick guys out whether they need to buy anything or not. You come on every post about me and try to bash me because we don't agree. Hate to tell you but with your rep, your helping me, not hurting me......thanks Jack!!


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That's the truth........I was asking dusty about his converters at Reynolds ga event when I was running bottom 10s and I was starting to question if the 9x11 was starting to give up in the 1/4. Dusty simply told me that his converter may or may not help me at that time given what the car was doing by the datalogs and time slips . This was in 2012. I simply liked his honesty.

 

[kidglok]

FYI I spray unicorn piss thru my dual nozzle Alky kit.


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[SloGN]

FYI I spray unicorn piss thru my dual nozzle Alky kit.


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I'm even more special I only use reindeer piss in my single nozzle..........

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[Phoneguy]

I'm even more special I only use reindeer piss in my single nozzle..........

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Does Dusty know that ? I don't think his converters are warranted with that kind if power ....

B

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[tbone87]

I just want a chrome converter!!

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[OhioC5]

Dusty didn't use high pressure tactics, but he did tell me my hair would grow back and I'd have to beat the chicks off with a stick. This converter is 10x's better than my 9x11 lock up. I'm still bald . . .

 

[Sydwyndr]

Ok guys this thread is now going nowhere
OP if you would like this thread re-opened for further discussion PM and I will do so...