Intercooler comparison..

[blackshoebox]

Has anyone done a comparison going from a stock location intercooler to a front mount? I currently run the atr 15 row intercooler and will be stepping up to a pte front mount. What is the typical gain expected from this type of swap? 20-30 hsp realistic or what??

-Alex

 

[Nick Micale]

Only have a couple experiences going from V-4 stock location to a front mount. Both were on low 11 sec. cars with consistant times. Neither car showed any change. This leads me to believe there is no HP increase at that level of performance. Know of many 10 sec. and a couple 9 sec. cars with modified stock location I/C's.

 

[darkfa8]

ic's

the mease 15-row was run back to back with a v4 by a customer of jack cotton's.

in the same day, at the track, the units were swapped and the mease ic netted a 4-10ths gain.

 

[blackshoebox]

Re: ic's

Originally posted by darkfa8
the mease 15-row was run back to back with a v4 by a customer of jack cotton's.

in the same day, at the track, the units were swapped and the mease ic netted a 4-10ths gain.

Is the mease IC a front mount?? If so, that is the kind of news I wanna hear. If not, could you elaborate on how a 15 row stock location intercooler could be better then a 21 row(v4).

Thanks,
Alex

 

[jojo]

Re: Re: ic's

Originally posted by blackshoebox
Is the mease IC a front mount?? If so, that is the kind of news I wanna hear. If not, could you elaborate on how a 15 row stock location intercooler could be better then a 21 row(v4).

Thanks,
Alex

No pro here but i went from the stocker to the V4. 15 rows for the stocker and 21 rows for the V4. More rows would add for better air cooling and breathing effeciancy i believe (could be wrong, but makes sense to me) but i can say when that bad boy was bolted on i got about 4# of instant boost. That tells me the V4 can breath baby! When i bolted on the Hooker w/test pipe and the V4 at the same time i went from 19# of set boost to just about 26# of boost but dont worry i let of the gas real quick when i seen the boost needle jump to 26# even though i was running 100 octane at the time so what does that tell you? also when i bolted the high flow cat on to smog my car it actually took away about 3-4# of boost what a wast of power with the cat

jojo

 

[87gnNV]

Hey jojo i thought it was to hot here in vegas for a front mount?
When the temp was 110 this past summer my car ran 198. How much hotter would it run with a front mount?

 

[jojo]

Originally posted by 87gnNV
Hey jojo i thought it was to hot here in vegas for a front mount?
When the temp was 110 this past summer my car ran 198. How much hotter would it run with a front mount?

87gn i dont have a front mount, i have the stock location CAS V4. I was just giving an example of what my car did when i replaced the stocker int. for the V4. But when i did that, i also replaced my radiator with Nick Micales 3 core. Amazingly enough my temps dropped about 15 degrees i think my car was seeing on a hot day 100 or so degrees about 190 on the engine temps so i guess from what ive seen was a 30hp gain out of the stocker replacement.

Hey 87gnNV where do you live? shoot me an email. Im over in Henderson.

jojo

 

[ijames]

I went from 13.3 to 12.6 (and 5-6 mph), from a bigneck stocker to a CAS V2 with TE34 and 93 octane. A friend went from 11.9 to 11.4 (and 5 mph), from a stocker to a PTE. Tony told me that the V4 would get about 60% of the way from a stock intercooler to the V2 so I'd predict .3 and 3 mph gain over a stocker, but Nick says he hasn't seen any gain from the V4 to a frontmount, hmmmm.

 

[azgn]

what Nick said was, he didn't see any difference on a low 11 sec car..........I participated in those experiments (drove the car)

your improvements (and your buddies) may be true...we were testing on a car with good heads, cam, and big turbo....not exactly the same situation

all depends on what you are looking for........on a well built low 11sec car, you will not see any improvement with a V2 vs V4....been there, done that! (when you start going faster, the front mount will help....)

 

[laz]

Hey i got a v4r and a precison front mount for sale. I like the stock location for street cars .I ran a 18 row strech for a while and loved it . What are our your goals? You can go alot faster than you are going on a 15 row. I don`t think any front mount will help here in fl. if you can`t keep the coolant temp. in check. I have seen a couple of buicks go 11.00s with stock coolers Dusty Bradford ran low 11s at bristol in 2000 . Laz

 

[darkfa8]

15 rows for the stocker and 21 rows for the V4

the stock grand national, tta and gnx ics are 10-row.

by adding another 5-rows, (15-row stretch stock intercooler), you gain about 50% more flow capability.

the stock location stretch intercoolers allow for maximum air-flow exposure for the radiator. for a street car this is pretty important. if you're just interested in racing in straight lines all the time, then the front mount is the way to go.

nonetheless, the 15-, 17, 21+ stretch stock location IC's have the efficiency and capacity to go well into the 9's depending on your needs.

 

[Danster]

Originally posted by laz
Hey i got a v4r and a precison front mount for sale. I like the stock location for street cars .I ran a 18 row strech for a while and loved it . What are our your goals? You can go alot faster than you are going on a 15 row. I don`t think any front mount will help here in fl. if you can`t keep the coolant temp. in check. I have seen a couple of buicks go 11.00s with stock coolers Dusty Bradford ran low 11s at bristol in 2000 . Laz

How much are you asking for the V4r. Send me a PM with the details, thanks.

Dannyo

 

[U1ARUNIT]

Re: ic's

Originally posted by darkfa8
the mease 15-row was run back to back with a v4 by a customer of jack cotton's... in the same day, at the track, the units were swapped and the mease ic netted a 4-10ths gain.

More info please. Who did this test and what was the boost levels etc?? Combo details, etc..? This is very hard to believe.

 

[GNICETRY]

the mease 15-row was run back to back with a v4 by a customer of jack cotton's.

in the same day, at the track, the units were swapped and the mease ic netted a 4-10ths gain.

Dan are you saying the Mease ran .4 quicker than the V4?

 

[darkfa8]

jack cotton has the details on the back-toback test run of the v4 vs. mease

call him on monday to ask him since i don't have the combo details.

 

[NoNos38]

All the intercooler info you will ever need, and that we have all gone over, way to many times is on this board if you do a search on intercoolers.

Oh,ya There is (""NO WAY"") the mease performed 4-10th's better than the CAS V-4. unless someone filled the V/4 with Buck shot..

Matt

 

[HRpartsNstuff]

We did a back to back test on my car at Bristol '99. I was running consistant 10.80's at 124 with 1.44 60 ft's with Tony's V-4. We wondered the same thing, could a front mount give us a performance gain at this level. Well, I came from a smaller front mount before the V-4, and I would never go back! Love the V-4, but for scientific interest, we had to try the FM. We swapped the V-4 with Tony's new front mount which is a decent size increase. Did the same cool down & staging that I was doing all weekend. It ran almost exactly the same! Within thousandths on the 60 ft, 330, 1/2 track, 1/4 mile & on MPH's. The things that were different was that it took a lot more effort to build boost than before (more pipes & size to pressurize), and it ran 8* hotter engine temp. We then swapped it back, ran another identical time, and liked the quick spoolup & lower temps. In hot weather areas (like FL), I would really stay away from a front mount on the street unless it's in the 9's. For cold weather areas, I would have to be mid 10's before I would even consider a FM. There are plenty of guys doing good with both setups, that's just what we found out. Also, we ran 30psi on stock portsd heads which I am sure created some heat. Evidently the V-4 was just as efficient as the FM. There seemed to be no restriction on flow either, at the HP level of 10.80's. Hope that helped.
Guess I could of just said "Yeah, what Nick said"