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I'll wait for the lab results, before commenting, last I heard only preliminary results were back.

And of course somebody will always misrepresent the facts. the weapons were just part of the issue. With the unearthy of so many mass graves, is justification enough for me.

And there seems to be some evidence the labs were kept mobile and if so gonna be hard to day what the real story is.
 
He's a Democrat, what would you expect to hear?

Do you think there would be talks about a Palestinian state and peace in the region if we hadnt whooped the sh#t out of Saddam? Would Syria be pissing their pants if we hadnt? Would Saudi Arabia be seriously trying to reform and find terrorists?

Even if they dont find a thing it had to be done to stabilize that area.

Now with a chance for their own state look at Hamas still threatening violence. They dont want to lose their power. All they want to is to keep blowing people up at all costs, and it will be interesting to see how they try to sabotage whats going on right now.
 
What a bunch of BS do you think freedom is free, people die for it. Iraq will be better off in the future, this is a work in process and it takes time. If the people had behalf civil, no looting, robbing and toting guns the progress would be farther ahead. It wasn't the US robbing banks, looting and creating disorder. Maybe you and the Senator would be better off under Saddam and his Baath Party.
 
I'll I need to see is "byrd" in the link and I already know it's not even worth reading.
 
I'm with blackbuick87 on this one. Iraq was a time bomb waiting to go off, and we just went in before they set the timer. Saddam had to be taken out. There are other countries that need a little reform too, and if its the USA that has the power to do it, then I say go in and take them out. Korea would be a good place to start, as well as cleaning up the rest of the middle east. While we are at it, I think once and for all, cuba needs to be taken care of. All of these dictatorships are nothing but a breeding ground for the dictator's twisted god complex to grow.
 
No WMD?

I have a clear memory of credible reports from a Northern Iraqi Mosque complex formerly used to train terrorists (highly suspected to be related to Al-keda). They found Ricin and training materials to make more (you know, like the ricin they found in that apartment in England last fall)....That quallifies as WMD in my book, that stuff is easy to make and VERY deadly. To quell that training operation is worth the war in saved lives in the Western world alone.

What about the discovery of artillary and rocket shells made for delivering chemical agents? What about those SCUD missiles that turned up? Those were all forbidden by the UN and disavowed by Iraq. Iraq reported thousands of gallons of chemical weapons in 1991....Where did they go?

The mobile laboratories and the remotely piloted drones that Sec Powell described on 5 Feb have been discovered. Theese are delivery mechanisms for WMD, and they have been discovered in Iraq. The capability to make and deliver WMD shows a clear intent to do so....The threat to Iraq's neighbors and to the world is clear. That threat does not exist now :D

Serin, Mustard, other agents....None discovered yet, but Iraq reported thousands and thousands of gallons of this stuff to the UN inspectors. What happened to it?

We may or may not find some more WMD....But, our success or failure should be judged by the plight of the Iraqis in a year or so, or by the jailed children freed, or by an end to the sons of Sadman who now hide in a cave, or by the cessation of tortures, or by discovering mass grave sites, or by the now smiling faces, or freed Kurdish lands and people, or, by many other things :)

Yes, I'd like to find more of the missing WMD, but, if we don't find it, it does not signal dishonesty or failure on America's part.

You can bet that the next time my President Bush says "I'll give you 48 hours....," people, and governments, will take him seriously ;) THAT is a good thing :)
 
Very well said Lee! I could have said it better but...not really, that part about the freed kids is enough to convince me that it was worth it, and I don't like kids!! ;)
 
Freed kids are Good :D

I hope they are not taught to hate like so many in this world are....
 
Interesting replies...

...I hate to say it, but most of you seem to have forgotten the main reason we were going in the first place, which was a "smoking gun" which has not been found. I agree with most of you that Sadaam had to be overthrown and removed from power and agreed with the invasion for the better of Iraq, but unless substantial weapons are found that were an immediate threat to Americans, I see a major injustice done to all those who died in Iraq fighting for America's safety and freedom, when they were really fighting to free Iraq, which should have been done by themselves, not us.
 
Hey, fellow conservatives, wake up! I supported the war just like you guys, but in was hardly necessary. They were a crippled country, and no threat at all to even Kuwait, much less the US. International santions took their toll on Iraq serverly. If we did nothing, and in 10 years Saddom was still in power, they would still be in no shape to attack anyone. North Korea is about 10,000 times more of a threat to the US, but did we attack them? No. Why? Because they will actually fight back, and would cost the US over 10,000 lives, and would last at least 2-4 years. It's all politics, and the average Joe is too stupid to realize it. With this being said, don't put me down as an opponent of the war with Iraq. No way. I supported my President's decision, but in no way was it absolutely necessary.
 
Re: Interesting replies...

Originally posted by blackshoebox
...I hate to say it, but most of you seem to have forgotten the main reason we were going in the first place, which was a "smoking gun" which has not been found.

If you recall before the NEWS started hyping the agenda, there was no mention of them, it was only immediately before we pulled the trigger that it was an issue, The troop buildup took over a year. Easy way to label when the discision was how what when and why the 173rd was reactivated, IMO.

It was about Slobman not obeying the agreements for letting inspectors in. That was reason enough.
 
Originally posted by TurboTer
Hey, fellow conservatives, wake up! I supported the war just like you guys, but in was hardly necessary. They were a crippled country, and no threat at all to even Kuwait, much less the US. International santions took their toll on Iraq serverly. If we did nothing, and in 10 years Saddom was still in power, they would still be in no shape to attack anyone. North Korea is about 10,000 times more of a threat to the US, but did we attack them? No. Why? Because they will actually fight back, and would cost the US over 10,000 lives, and would last at least 2-4 years. It's all politics, and the average Joe is too stupid to realize it. With this being said, don't put me down as an opponent of the war with Iraq. No way. I supported my President's decision, but in no way was it absolutely necessary.

You have it wrong, no one was scared of Iraq directly attacking anyone. You are right that they were an impoverished country with a joke for a military. What they were is a threat to world stability. Iraq paid millions to Palestinian suicide bombers and their families. They had Al Quaeda training sites that no one even knew of. They sold weapons to any terrorist or country with the cash. The UN fumbled with inspections for 12 years, and it went no where. Iraq and Saddam made a COMPLETE mockery of the United Nations. The time for diplomacy was over, it failed in the case of Iraq, rather miserably. Maybe the next dictator will pay a little more attention. I guarantee Syria, Iran, and North Korea did. You dont hear much from them right now do you?
 
Dubya had 2 goals when he got in office
to fix his Dad's screw ups.

1. Tax cut (read my lips)
2. Remove Saddam which G.H.W. Bush left in power ...stupidly



A real republican philosophy is to stay out of foreign affairs.
Saddam was not a threat and had nothing to do with 9/11

Too bad the people of this country DON"T CARE that Bush lied about the WMD :(
 
Originally posted by blackbuick87
You have it wrong, no one was scared of Iraq directly attacking anyone. You are right that they were an impoverished country with a joke for a military. What they were is a threat to world stability. Iraq paid millions to Palestinian suicide bombers and their families. They had Al Quaeda training sites that no one even knew of. They sold weapons to any terrorist or country with the cash. The UN fumbled with inspections for 12 years, and it went no where. Iraq and Saddam made a COMPLETE mockery of the United Nations. The time for diplomacy was over, it failed in the case of Iraq, rather miserably. Maybe the next dictator will pay a little more attention. I guarantee Syria, Iran, and North Korea did. You dont hear much from them right now do you?

Has any of this been proven? If they harbored Al Quada, I can certainly understand them being attacked. But is that proven? I do know that Osama Bin Ladan HATES Saddom. He thinks Saddom isn't big enough into Islam (and he is correct; Saddom isn't even bearded!). The only things they had in common is they both HATE (or hated, if one or both is dead) the US.

If they did indeed pay millions to Palestinian suicide bombers and their families, so what? That affects Israel, not us, so let them deal with it. Israel dictates American policy enough as it is.

They did make a mockery of the UN weapons inspectors, always kickig them out and letting them back in, that is agreed 100%.

Syria and Iran might pay more attention, but North Korea will not. They will never blink in the face of a US attack.
 
Originally posted by Gothmog
Dubya had 2 goals when he got in office
to fix his Dad's screw ups.

1. Tax cut (read my lips)
2. Remove Saddam which G.H.W. Bush left in power ...stupidly



A real republican philosophy is to stay out of foreign affairs.
Saddam was not a threat and had nothing to do with 9/11

Too bad the people of this country DON"T CARE that Bush lied about the WMD :(

Well said, fellow Staten Islander. The far right Republicans, like Pat Buchanan and all my anti-government patriots accross the country, opposed the war. The only thing I disagree about is GHWB left him in power stupidly. At the time he had little choice. The rest of the world and the Democratic Congress would have opposed it.

I supported the war, although I never agreed that Iraq was a direct threat or had a connection with 9/11.
 
I dont think Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 either. That is a totally separate issue.

One thing is agreed on a Democratic Congress would not have attacked. They would have waited until Saddam had nukes or had supplied the know how to someone and then we would have another Hitler.

North Korea is even poorer than Iraq is, so I think that can be dealt with diplomatically and economically.

To say that what effects Israel does not effect the US is not true at all. The two are linked together in the World's eyes forever, and the US will defend Israel at all costs and has treatied to do so. The US has WAY too much invested in the Middle East, and one can even argue that Israel is the reason Bin Laden hates the US and caused 9/11 in the first place.
 
Originally posted by blackbuick87
I dont think Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 either. That is a totally separate issue.

One thing is agreed on a Democratic Congress would not have attacked. They would have waited until Saddam had nukes or had supplied the know how to someone and then we would have another Hitler.

North Korea is even poorer than Iraq is, so I think that can be dealt with diplomatically and economically.

To say that what effects Israel does not effect the US is not true at all. The two are linked together in the World's eyes forever, and the US will defend Israel at all costs and has treatied to do so. The US has WAY too much invested in the Middle East, and one can even argue that Israel is the reason Bin Laden hates the US and caused 9/11 in the first place.

Agreed, as the Dem Congress would never have attacked in 1991 if there was a Dem President in there. Thankfully, we had GB Sr. at the time. If Iraq wasn't attacked then, they would probably be a strong force today. I doubt Saddom would be another Hitler though. He's not nearly as smart militarily, wasn't 1/10 the speaker Hitler was, nore was he as popular with his people. On top of that, the Iraqi army could never be the force the German army was. They are way to far back in the dark ages for that.

North Korea may be poorer than Iraq, but that's it. Militarily, it's 100 times stronger, and it has the most popular leader of any country on the planet. Those people will never give up in a war like the Iraqis.

Israel DOES effect the US, there is no doubt about that. But it shouldn't. We put way too much into that tiny country, and they support terrorists of their own. I agree with you that Osama caused 9/11 because the US strongly supports Israeli policies. Yet another reason not to align ourselves with them. Supposidly, they have some 400 nukes. Why don't we hear anything about disarming them?
 
Isn't it funny those who complain about the war enjoy the benefits ie: economic, cheaper gas, bigger cars, travel and transportation. The war helped!
Also France, Germany and Russia were taking advantage because Saddam was giving all the benefits although the UN had put sanctions on Iraq. In time you would be fighting terrorism on your front door, WAKE UP DREAMERS. It was time to pull the plug, now maybe some of the other rouge countries will fall in line rather than saber rattling.
 
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