John Kerry admits to War Atrocities

[We4ster]

Give me a break, this was over 30 years ago, he was fresh from Nam and an anti war activist.
Do any of you know what a free zone is? Like I said, unless you were there.......Do you know what a 50cal does to a human body?
If you see enough body parts flying and the smell of burnt flesh it will do a number of things to you. Some blocked it out, others werent so lucky.......I'm willing to bet 90% of you dont have a clue.



Audiotape, April 18, 1971):


MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?


KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

 

[ross87t]

Again, what was George Jr. doing while Kerry was in Vietnam?

Just wondering.

 

[suprbuick7]

Ross dont go there. GW was flying those dangerous critically important flights around ALABAMA MMKAY????????????

 

[GNandGS]

What were a lot of people doing? It wouldnt even be an issue had it not become a bragging point...

I dont really care what he did in service but I can think of more than one politician that "sacrificed" more and said less. Further based on the logic presented here, he really doesnt have a leg to stand on when it comes to this whole Iraq prison business.

 

[We4ster]

GNandGS


You are right......
Let the facts be known and then judgement day for all those involved!

 

[suprbuick7]

Here is a good one from the GOP, they will smear anyone to get elected WHAT SCUM





You know, my good friend and former Georgia Democratic Senator Max Cleland was called “unpatriotic” by the Republican smear machine that ultimately pulled his position as an esteemed politician. When a triple-amputee Vietnam veteran who spent time working with veterans wounded in Vietnam upon their return home can be called “unpatriotic,” I’m going to have to look up just what being a patriot is.

When President George W. Bush, who valiantly defended Alabama from the Viet Cong, and Karl Rove and **** Cheney (both of whom got deferrments from service overseas) can call Max Cleland, who risked his life on many occasions, and John Kerry, who fought just as nobly in Vietnam unpatriotic, yet bill themselves as high-line patriots of the United States, we have reached a flashpoint in this country. Those men who fight overseas have the unwavering support of The Foaming Liberal and this author. The same cannot be said for those who seek to belittle the honor and valor of those who fought just as nobly but chose another political party.

At the Indiana State Jefferson Jackson dinner on April 17th, which I attended, Cleland said, “Whenever the Republican party accuses you, as a Democrat, of being unpatriotic, just remind them exactly who dove into World Wars One and Two. Remind them that Thomas Jefferson fought against the tyrants of his day and took vital steps to founding this nation of ours. We are patriots as much as anyone else, and some of us, my dear friend [Indiana Governor] Joe Kernan, a P.O.W. in Vietnam, and [John] Kerry among those.”

Politicizing patriotism for personal gain is, perhaps, the least patriotic of all things. The President and his staff should learn this.

–

 

[suprbuick7]

HEY RED REGAL are you listening to that last line, sounds like you

 

[UNGN]

Max Cleland is a "triple Amputee" because he picked up a grenade one of his buddies dropped (he even said it was his grenade at one point). I don't even think he got a purple heart for it.

That has ZERO to do why Max Cleland was called "unpatriotic". Max cleland wanted the TSA folks (you know those helpful people who strip search old ladies - when they aren't on break or standing around) to be unionized so they would be another bunch of people we could never fire. He opposed the homeland security bill because of this and lost the election because of it.

Going to Nam and getting yourself blown up doesn't mean every thing you say and do from that point forward can't be questioned, especially if you are a politician. Max Cleland was wrong on the issues that mattered to his constituents and he lost in the election fair and square. He's become a poster child for the republican "smear machine" but the voters of Georgia Know Max Cleland better than ANY Democrat outside of the state.

If Max Cleland were to run again, he'd lose worse than the last time (or pretend to be a Republican).

 

[suprbuick7]

So UNGN you agree that he is unpatriotic?????????????

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by suprbuick7
So UNGN you agree that he is unpatriotic?????????????

Nobody even said Max Cleland service in Viet Nam was "unpatriotic".

His vote on the homeland security bill was, yes. He was putting politics and union votes before homeland security. That, my friend is the definition for unpatriotic.

So was John Kerry throwing somebody elses medals over the white house fence.

Or David Bonjior going to Bagdad to meet with Saddam.

Or when Bill Clinton protested the Viet Nam war in England.

When you do something that is unpatriotic, you earn the right to be called unpatriotic, no matter how many times you are fragged by your own stupidity in an unpopular war.

I don't see you giving any free passes to republicans that joined the National Guard. Is joining the guard unpatriotic?

 

[suprbuick7]

Not when Carl Rove Chicken hawk says it, I beg to differ.

 

[ross87t]

UNGN -

Yeah...protesting the Vietnam War was a terrible thing for anyone to do.
The US government was doing a great thing and accomplishing much during the Vietnam war.
My dad and uncle were both drafted into the Army in 1967. My uncle ended up in Vietnam. My dad was eventually based in Oahu, Hawaii. Neither of them were ever involved in any protests, but they didn't really believe the war was right. Are they unpatriotic? Not in the least bit.

Original American Patriots defended their country. They didn't order their kids half way around the world to get involved and die in someone else's war.

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by ross87t
Original American Patriots defended their country. They didn't order their kids half way around the world to get involved and die in someone else's war.

Do you mean like FDR did when he sent kids to Europe to Kill Germans in 1942? That wasn't "Our" war. Germany never attacked us.

You can oppose any war and still be a patriot. Just don't do it publicly on foreign soil. It's called giving aid and comfort to the enemy and it kills more americans than it "saves".

AND putting party politics before country will earn anyone the right to be called unpatriotic, no matter how many wars somebody fought it or didn't fight in.

This applies to both republicans and democrats.

 

[ross87t]

Originally posted by UNGN
You can oppose any war and still be a patriot. Just don't do it publicly on foreign soil. It's called giving aid and comfort to the enemy and it kills more americans than it "saves".

Oh please. You could protest on the moon. The news would quickly spread to "foreign soil".

I'm sure Ho Chi Min was really capable of what Hitler was.
World War II can't even be compared to Vietnam.

 

[We4ster]

When you protest what you believe in your heart to be wrong, that is called free speech......Not Unpatriotic!
Its so easy to put labels on things you either dont understand or dont approve of, makes it easy to condemn...

UNGN,

Did you ever serve? Ever in a War Zone?

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by We4ster
Did you ever serve? Ever in a War Zone?

Relevancy?

 

[Red Regal T]

95% of American men never served in combat. The dimocrats, like some of the misguided people here, would like to make an issue of it for their own purposes. They'd like you to think because President Bush ONLY served in the National Guard, he's not qualified to lead the armed forces in war. This is a total crock that will hold no water. Also, the fact whether someone served or didn't serve, makes no difference. Of course, when Clinton was running, it never made a difference.

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by Red Regal T
Of course, when Clinton was running, it never made a difference.

Did you mean running as in for office, or as in overseas to avoid military service?

 

[tc86gn]

ttt still looking for the other one.