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fine69

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Hey Everyone
Well it seems there are a lot of people on here that either now something or can bull**** there way threw, hopefully I find the people that now something! I have a 9.58sec 69 camaro but was always a fan of the GN's, GNX's, and T-types so I bought a 1985 GN with an 87 intercooler upgrade and headers. I would like to make a 11.00sec street car out of it. It already has 4:11 gears and a 3500 stall, please tell me were to go from here?(type of turbo, heads, injectors, ext...) I know lots about my big blocks but nothing about these turbo cars! PLEASE HELP!
ttinsp@platinum.ca
 
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fine69, a good starting point is a upgraded fuel pump and chip.turbotweak chip. lose the 411 gear 331 or 342 gear are fine. 61turbo 60lbs injectors w/youre 3500 stall converter you will go low 11,s w/drag radials high 10,s w/slicks dont know what cam is in youre car or heads,rcr power plate.change valve springs, check timing chain and gears if stock timing chain change to dual roller chain.and scan master for tuning.:biggrin:
 
Post your combo- you goal is reasonable, but you'll need the right combo of parts to run the numbers you want. Do you want to cage your car? At 11.49, you'll need to do so to run at most tracks.....

Rata is correct- the 3.42 gear in a stock GN rear is more than adequate for the car. 3500 stall is pretty high, depending on what turbo you're running.

No BS here- been dealing with these cars for 20+ years, and run consistent 11s on a full weight street car. Lost of great guys here with solid credentials and info.

If you haven't done so already, you might want to go to Turbo Regal Web Site and learn as much as you can about these cars. They can be finiky beasts, but there's nothing better when running right:D
 
Thanks for both your replies, I think the things I listed are all that is done to the car, I'm kinda hoping you guys can tell me a good combo. I won't be caging the car it is strickly for having fun with unsuspecting victims on the street. Thanks again for your help.
 
In my honest opinion, here are two of the most popular combos that everyone eventually builds up to before they tear into the motor.

PT6152E turbo, or PT6131RE (Same compressor wheel as the 6152 but slightly smaller turbine wheel and Garretts Dual Ball Bearing cartridge) 60# Mototron injectors, with a Turbo Tweak adjustable chip, Scanmaster scantool, good boost gauge and oil pressure gauge, upgraded intercooler (Front mount or stretched stock location) Walbro 340 255lph fuel pump, fuel pump hot wire kit, MAF pipe with Cold Air Kit, 160* t-stat, plug wires, 1 range colder plugs gapped at a tight .032 gap, adjustable fuel pressure regulator with remotely mounted fuel pressure gauge, valve cover breathers for both valve covers, PCV check valve to be used in conjunction with the stock PCV, fully built 200 transmission with either a 10" 3000-3200 stall or a 9.5" same stall lock up converter, leave the factory 3.42 rear gears alone, (this ratio has been proven to work the best with the power curve that these V6s have. 4.11, 3.90 & 3.73s are in my opinion, going backwards at this power level. Some of the fastest cars in the country that still run a factory built up 8.5" rearend, have done it with 3.42 gears, some of them with the original OEM gears and these are cars that have run well into the low 9's to high 8's) 70mm throttle body with larger upper plenum and a RJC power plate and boost control valve, 3" mandrel bent stainless steel downpipe, absolutely no exhaust leaks before the turbo, at least a 2.5" dual exhaust with straight flow through style mufflers (aka no Flowmasters, not on a turbo car) replace the stock valve springs with 100# replacements, replace the timing chain with a double roller or at a minimum a stock replacement that has a steel gear, remove front sway bar, rear suspension components with dual air bags, posi unit, lite weight wheels and either a 27" DOT bias ply or 28" slicks. On a strong, good running, correctly tuned Turbo Buick, this is a combo for low 11's on either straight race gas or alky injection with pump gas. All it basically takes it tuning the car to run the boost in the high 20ish range (24-28psi) with zero knock retard and launching the car as hard as possible by either foot brake or trans brake.

Then you take this exact same combo, change the turbo to one that has a 63 - 67mm compressor wheel and a P-trim turbine wheel, throw a set of either ported stock iron heads or un-ported aluminum heads on it, a matching ported stock intake and a small cam (206/206 - 218/218, either flat tappet or hydraulic roller) and the car becomes a monster. Especially if the turbo has a ball bearing cartridge. These are very easy and simple combos that anyone with a properly tuned stock car with a well maintained record and mileage anywhere from 30k all the way up to 110k miles can attain.

The biggest secrets with these cars is, tune tune tune and Zero detonation. Detonation kills these motors, not too mention blows head gaskets.

Most people will see that I've really stripped these two combos down to the bare essentials. And I'm sure I've left out a lot of little things. Oh yeah, one of the biggest secrets is this.......

You must have patience with these cars and treat them with respect.

These cars are nothing like your typical SBC, 5.0, LT1 or LS1. They are a breed all their own.

Hope some of this helps.

Patrick
 
well, I find this thread very helpfull and I think I'm in the same boat as fine69. I bought my first trubo 6, an 86 t-type, and I'm looking to make it a streetable 11 sec car. Simalarly, I come from a non-turbo charged world, namely my 96 impala. I've got the stock $3.42's, but the previous owner "added" a posi, not sure if these come with them stock. I have a K&N, free flowing exhaust... no leaks, an aftermarket boost gauge, and adjustable wastegate (not messing with it yet...). The engine was rebuilt by turbo lou of lou's automotive 33K+ mi ago, along with the tranny, by Art Carr. I bought it thinking it would be a perfect subject for those modest turbo 6 goals. Not to thread jack, but I placed an order for the walbro fuel pump from full throttle as well as the hotwire kit. I don't want to get too hasty, I realize I need to make a few runs and record my data, but my question is this: at this stage, with my goals, would the 60# injectors and chip from turbotweak be a good investment? On the to do soon (very soon) list are 3" downpipe and some slicks.

Thank you Patrick for your input. I look forward to the discussions with you guys. I know with the experience here you guys will help steer me in the right direction!
 
well, I find this thread very helpfull and I think I'm in the same boat as fine69. I bought my first trubo 6, an 86 t-type, and I'm looking to make it a streetable 11 sec car. Simalarly, I come from a non-turbo charged world, namely my 96 impala. I've got the stock $3.42's, but the previous owner "added" a posi, not sure if these come with them stock. I have a K&N, free flowing exhaust... no leaks, an aftermarket boost gauge, and adjustable wastegate (not messing with it yet...). The engine was rebuilt by turbo lou of lou's automotive 33K+ mi ago, along with the tranny, by Art Carr. I bought it thinking it would be a perfect subject for those modest turbo 6 goals. Not to thread jack, but I placed an order for the walbro fuel pump from full throttle as well as the hotwire kit. I don't want to get too hasty, I realize I need to make a few runs and record my data, but my question is this: at this stage, with my goals, would the 60# injectors and chip from turbotweak be a good investment? On the to do soon (very soon) list are 3" downpipe and some slicks.

Thank you Patrick for your input. I look forward to the discussions with you guys. I know with the experience here you guys will help steer me in the right direction!

Lou C is a great engine builder, so know you've got a fine base to build from. 60s are the way to go, and TT is the only chip to gett IMO. 60s will take you into the 10s with the proper tune.
 
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