The chicken was temporally down due to routine maintenance that consisted of a set of secret experimental four valve ported heads & intake, Cometic gaskets & some special head studs developed by ARP for the space shuttle program that can stand the punishment of reentry.Chickens ride is now 11's capable, If ever his drivers license was in jeopardy this should do it. He is now in need of a larger turbo to take advantage of the increased breathing. I will just leave it up to him to fill in all the details.
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Here are the details...
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Here are the real details kiddies...
I was involved in an experiment to gather physical proof to the effects that a summers worth of excessive heat combined with relentless street kill action would have on a set of turbo Buick cylinder heads and RJC gaskets.
Well....the results were predictable, but at least now we have documented evidence to support the claim that: Heat = Bad.
Some have seen my scatterred posts over the last few months that my engine was running too hot...in fact many of my posts leading up to the Oct 31 event I mentioned it.
On cool mornings and evenings, it would stay safely below 180deg, but in the hot day and afternoons, the temps in traffic would climb to 220+ and had several excursions North to the 230-245 range after a kill....but then the high speed on the fan would kick in and take it back down to 220 or so...
In the interest of the team, I continued the experiment throughout the summer and fall months. I'm a giver...
Towards the end of summer, the engine began to idle rough. I changed the plugs, and #1 and #6 looked pretty rough, but I pressed on. The idle smoothed....mostly....and it seemed to be running fine at cruise or under load....so determined....I pressed on.
Replacing a bad coil pack also helped with a seperate issue....so the experiment continued...
With the safe knowledge that Pappa Lou can fix anything, I was unhindered by fear, common sense, and reason...and my fans in the Kill section were relying on me to represent....I could not let them down. Life was good. I felt needed....:redface:
As race day approached, I decided I should probably go ahead and end the experiment and fix the root cause of the heat issue because I did not want to grenade at the track....but that pesky rough idle had returned and seemed to be getting worse again...tsk, tsk, tsk....
The stock radiator which had been re-cored approx 3 years ago by the previous owner, and the tired out OE fan were overdue for retirement. They could not keep up with me.
So an F-body radiator went in, and the temps dropped to the 170-180 range on a hot day...170 or less on cool days....165 or less in the AM and PM. These $100 radiators are great cooling bang for the buck. I also placed an order with gbodyparts.com for the dual fans and Caspers relay harness....and the 7 week waiting game began for those to arrive.
In spite of the rough idle issue, I was still able to kill a Carrera S and 4S in the days leading up to the Oct 31 event....so I was feeling confident that there had been no serious damage for the months of excessive heat. All readings on the Scanmaster continued to register perfectly normal.
The day before race day, I made an appointment with Spoolfool2 to do some tuning, and who knows....maybe even finally isolate the reason my idle was a tad rough.
Well....got to Mikes, Harold showed up unannounced....and everything went downhill from there....:frown:
Mike and I had already discussed the idle issue, but mysteriously.....as Harold got closer to the car...it would get worse...it was quite odd to say the least...kinda creepy even....it was the Eve of Halloween
We commenced to swapping ign modules and coil packs and MAF's and such off of Mikes garage princess and now, 10 second proven show quality GN, and over to my street sweeping high 11 second capable daily driver.
Miscellaneous jokes and jabs from the peanut gallery were endured about the level of dirt and grime I'd managed to collect over 20,000 miles of heavy street driving...but I would calmly reply..."Yeah....dirt happens when you actually DRIVE YOUR CAR."
...the work continued...
Plugs were pulled and the #1 and #6 looked....well....let's just say....you couldn't even drink them pretty...they were that ugly. The rest of the plugs were also due for a change, but #1 and #6 were nasty.
Out came the compression check gauge.
#1 tested at 115, #6 tested at 85.....all others tested at around 140.
The failure mode had been isolated....low compression in a couple of cylinders......#6 was likely completely dead at idle.
We attempted a leakdown test but prognosis was inconclusive due to issues with the compressor, etc.
Harold whipped out his phone and dials...
"Hey Lou....this is Harold...we're at Mikes working on Meanchickens car.........."
I nearly lost consciousness as I fought off the compulsion to blow groceries all over Mikes driveway. Harold...yes THE Harold.... had just told Lou that he was working on my car.....
It was now known that I had broken Lou';s first and holiest commandment....
"Thou shalt have no other mechanic or wannabe mechanic....especially Harold...before me."
I don't even have a Will or Living Trust in place....Lou is gonna bypass the sheep outfit and go straight to murder over this one....what about my wife and kids?
As the buzzing in my ears and spiraling tunnel vision dissipated, I was somewhat relieved that Lou was giving advice on what to do next rather than having a complete melt down.
Whew....dodged a bullet there....at least for now....
With Lou off the phone, and at a safe 30 mile distance away from my physical location (and with me secretly hoping he had absolutely no control over where lightning bolts can strike....unless it could strike 5 feet to my lateral left and hit Harold instead....), we did a couple more checks and at least determined the rings were probably OK by injecting a little oil into #6 and confirming compression was unimproved.
It was time to go.
I would not be racing.
Assumptions at this point were that I'd found a way to blow an RJC gasket at 20lbs of boost.
I'm good at breaking stuff....almost as good as Ralph is...I'm just not as efficient as Ralph is...Ralph can break stuff withut even driving his car...he's a master breaker.......
I parked the GN in my garage, left for Thailand and waited for my turn in Lou's line up. Two weeks later after I got back from Thailand, the GN went to Lou.
The 2 week cooling off period proved to be key to me not being put to an early death for breaking the # 1 commandment...
Lou scolded me in a kind, grandfatherly way as Al watched form a safe distance on the other side of the lift, and then Lou took the GN in for some work and a little magic.
To make a long story short.....sort of....
Lou called me once he and Al got the heads off the car.
His one and only question...."When did you overheat this motor, Tim?"
I know better than to lie to my mechanic.
I'd lie to my wife....but never to my mechanic....
So I replied...."Pretty much all summer long....is that bad?"
I then confiessed to Lou the experiment I'd taken upon myself to complete over the summer. I wanted to surprise him with the result, but...he had found it all on his own.
DAMN!
Lou's good.
The heat at the front of #1 and back of #6 had been enough to actually cause the RJC's to seperate in these locations. No oil into water, water into oil, water into cylinder action was happening, but compression was escaping out of the cylinders. I still don;t know whay there was no hint of the problem on my ScanMaster...but....
I'd also managed to make a set of cylinder heads look like they had been through 100,000 miles of use in only 20,000 miles. A few of the valves were not sealing properly and the compression chambers looked pretty nasty.
Bottom end was inspected and is in good shape.
Minor wear on the cam.
Conclusion:
Heat = Bad
In spite of the carnage to the heads and gaskets, the GN was still knocking down 12 second Euro trash on the street, so...not bad for running on only 4.5 cylinders.
Don't try this at home
Pictures to follow.
No need to thank me for this completed study on the effects of heat on Buick heads and RJC gaskets. I proudly took a bullet for the team...
...but...
Donations to fund this experiment can be made to Meanchicken at the next cruise event.
Happy ending...
Lou had a nice set of ported heads and a port matched intake right there in his shop and ready to go onto my GN.
I must say....
How conveeeeeeeeeeeeeenient!!!:biggrin:
He gave me a screaming good deal on them and on they went.
They now are on my engine, and initial test run results produced the text in my first post in this string....
More to come.
:biggrin:
Added bonus.....it's kinda cool to be running on 6 cylinders again.
Thanks Papa lou!
Special thanks to Papa's beautiful assistant, Al, also!
Al helped out with the nuts and bolts work in Lou's shop.
Dual fans go on this weekend.
I was involved in an experiment to gather physical proof to the effects that a summers worth of excessive heat combined with relentless street kill action would have on a set of turbo Buick cylinder heads and RJC gaskets.
Well....the results were predictable, but at least now we have documented evidence to support the claim that: Heat = Bad.
Some have seen my scatterred posts over the last few months that my engine was running too hot...in fact many of my posts leading up to the Oct 31 event I mentioned it.
On cool mornings and evenings, it would stay safely below 180deg, but in the hot day and afternoons, the temps in traffic would climb to 220+ and had several excursions North to the 230-245 range after a kill....but then the high speed on the fan would kick in and take it back down to 220 or so...
In the interest of the team, I continued the experiment throughout the summer and fall months. I'm a giver...
Towards the end of summer, the engine began to idle rough. I changed the plugs, and #1 and #6 looked pretty rough, but I pressed on. The idle smoothed....mostly....and it seemed to be running fine at cruise or under load....so determined....I pressed on.
Replacing a bad coil pack also helped with a seperate issue....so the experiment continued...
With the safe knowledge that Pappa Lou can fix anything, I was unhindered by fear, common sense, and reason...and my fans in the Kill section were relying on me to represent....I could not let them down. Life was good. I felt needed....:redface:
As race day approached, I decided I should probably go ahead and end the experiment and fix the root cause of the heat issue because I did not want to grenade at the track....but that pesky rough idle had returned and seemed to be getting worse again...tsk, tsk, tsk....
The stock radiator which had been re-cored approx 3 years ago by the previous owner, and the tired out OE fan were overdue for retirement. They could not keep up with me.
So an F-body radiator went in, and the temps dropped to the 170-180 range on a hot day...170 or less on cool days....165 or less in the AM and PM. These $100 radiators are great cooling bang for the buck. I also placed an order with gbodyparts.com for the dual fans and Caspers relay harness....and the 7 week waiting game began for those to arrive.
In spite of the rough idle issue, I was still able to kill a Carrera S and 4S in the days leading up to the Oct 31 event....so I was feeling confident that there had been no serious damage for the months of excessive heat. All readings on the Scanmaster continued to register perfectly normal.
The day before race day, I made an appointment with Spoolfool2 to do some tuning, and who knows....maybe even finally isolate the reason my idle was a tad rough.
Well....got to Mikes, Harold showed up unannounced....and everything went downhill from there....:frown:
Mike and I had already discussed the idle issue, but mysteriously.....as Harold got closer to the car...it would get worse...it was quite odd to say the least...kinda creepy even....it was the Eve of Halloween
We commenced to swapping ign modules and coil packs and MAF's and such off of Mikes garage princess and now, 10 second proven show quality GN, and over to my street sweeping high 11 second capable daily driver.
Miscellaneous jokes and jabs from the peanut gallery were endured about the level of dirt and grime I'd managed to collect over 20,000 miles of heavy street driving...but I would calmly reply..."Yeah....dirt happens when you actually DRIVE YOUR CAR."
...the work continued...
Plugs were pulled and the #1 and #6 looked....well....let's just say....you couldn't even drink them pretty...they were that ugly. The rest of the plugs were also due for a change, but #1 and #6 were nasty.
Out came the compression check gauge.
#1 tested at 115, #6 tested at 85.....all others tested at around 140.
The failure mode had been isolated....low compression in a couple of cylinders......#6 was likely completely dead at idle.
We attempted a leakdown test but prognosis was inconclusive due to issues with the compressor, etc.
Harold whipped out his phone and dials...
"Hey Lou....this is Harold...we're at Mikes working on Meanchickens car.........."
I nearly lost consciousness as I fought off the compulsion to blow groceries all over Mikes driveway. Harold...yes THE Harold.... had just told Lou that he was working on my car.....
It was now known that I had broken Lou';s first and holiest commandment....
"Thou shalt have no other mechanic or wannabe mechanic....especially Harold...before me."
I don't even have a Will or Living Trust in place....Lou is gonna bypass the sheep outfit and go straight to murder over this one....what about my wife and kids?
As the buzzing in my ears and spiraling tunnel vision dissipated, I was somewhat relieved that Lou was giving advice on what to do next rather than having a complete melt down.
Whew....dodged a bullet there....at least for now....
With Lou off the phone, and at a safe 30 mile distance away from my physical location (and with me secretly hoping he had absolutely no control over where lightning bolts can strike....unless it could strike 5 feet to my lateral left and hit Harold instead....), we did a couple more checks and at least determined the rings were probably OK by injecting a little oil into #6 and confirming compression was unimproved.
It was time to go.
I would not be racing.
Assumptions at this point were that I'd found a way to blow an RJC gasket at 20lbs of boost.
I'm good at breaking stuff....almost as good as Ralph is...I'm just not as efficient as Ralph is...Ralph can break stuff withut even driving his car...he's a master breaker.......
I parked the GN in my garage, left for Thailand and waited for my turn in Lou's line up. Two weeks later after I got back from Thailand, the GN went to Lou.
The 2 week cooling off period proved to be key to me not being put to an early death for breaking the # 1 commandment...
Lou scolded me in a kind, grandfatherly way as Al watched form a safe distance on the other side of the lift, and then Lou took the GN in for some work and a little magic.
To make a long story short.....sort of....
Lou called me once he and Al got the heads off the car.
His one and only question...."When did you overheat this motor, Tim?"
I know better than to lie to my mechanic.
I'd lie to my wife....but never to my mechanic....
So I replied...."Pretty much all summer long....is that bad?"
I then confiessed to Lou the experiment I'd taken upon myself to complete over the summer. I wanted to surprise him with the result, but...he had found it all on his own.
DAMN!
Lou's good.
The heat at the front of #1 and back of #6 had been enough to actually cause the RJC's to seperate in these locations. No oil into water, water into oil, water into cylinder action was happening, but compression was escaping out of the cylinders. I still don;t know whay there was no hint of the problem on my ScanMaster...but....
I'd also managed to make a set of cylinder heads look like they had been through 100,000 miles of use in only 20,000 miles. A few of the valves were not sealing properly and the compression chambers looked pretty nasty.
Bottom end was inspected and is in good shape.
Minor wear on the cam.
Conclusion:
Heat = Bad
In spite of the carnage to the heads and gaskets, the GN was still knocking down 12 second Euro trash on the street, so...not bad for running on only 4.5 cylinders.
Don't try this at home
Pictures to follow.
No need to thank me for this completed study on the effects of heat on Buick heads and RJC gaskets. I proudly took a bullet for the team...
...but...
Donations to fund this experiment can be made to Meanchicken at the next cruise event.
Happy ending...
Lou had a nice set of ported heads and a port matched intake right there in his shop and ready to go onto my GN.
I must say....
How conveeeeeeeeeeeeeenient!!!:biggrin:
He gave me a screaming good deal on them and on they went.
They now are on my engine, and initial test run results produced the text in my first post in this string....
More to come.
:biggrin:
Added bonus.....it's kinda cool to be running on 6 cylinders again.
Thanks Papa lou!
Special thanks to Papa's beautiful assistant, Al, also!
Al helped out with the nuts and bolts work in Lou's shop.
Dual fans go on this weekend.
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And I cant believe that you were to go out about testing and tunning before I got there and busted your chops about the rough idle., good to see your back in business.
., good to see your back in business. 
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Tim,
Glad to have you back. While you were away, I single handedly looked after the kill section for you.
Note: there might me a Cady, that's getting modded as I speak, that will want a rematch with the Kill section "Top Gun". See http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303287-darn-spoolfool2.html
Also, I think I killed a moped for you while you were away. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303176-new-suzuki-bike-gets-walked-like-dog.html Figured that I'd let you sort it all out when you got back.
With that, I now return the torch of traffic light terror back to it's rightfull owner.
Let it be known! Clear the streets, and hide anything with wheels.
The Chicken is back!
Mike Barnard
P.S. If you plan on doing any more neato endurance testing on your head gaskets, be sure that you get adult supervision FIRST!
Glad to have you back. While you were away, I single handedly looked after the kill section for you.
Note: there might me a Cady, that's getting modded as I speak, that will want a rematch with the Kill section "Top Gun". See http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303287-darn-spoolfool2.html
Also, I think I killed a moped for you while you were away. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303176-new-suzuki-bike-gets-walked-like-dog.html Figured that I'd let you sort it all out when you got back.
With that, I now return the torch of traffic light terror back to it's rightfull owner.
Let it be known! Clear the streets, and hide anything with wheels.
The Chicken is back!
Mike Barnard
P.S. If you plan on doing any more neato endurance testing on your head gaskets, be sure that you get adult supervision FIRST!
meanchicken
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And I cant believe that you were to go out about testing and tunning before I got there and busted your chops about the rough idle
Well ...we had actually stopped on the side of the road trying to figure out why the Dirct Scan was behaving screwy and had not made any runs yet when you drove by. I put the DS connector on the ECU backwards...seemed like the right thing to do.
Mike had also asked about the rough idle, but we figured....let's get some data.
Given the amount of abuse the engine had already been through up to getting the GN over to Mikes, I doubt one run on the DS would have killed it...probably would have given some data that'd force the round of troubleshooting anyway.
But as soon as Mike saw you drive by going to his house, he screamed, "HURRY!!!! GET BACK TO MY HOUSE BEFORE HAROLD STARTS WORKING ON MY GN!!!!!!"
Kidding...he didn't do that.
Thanks for your help at Mikes.
Appreciated.:biggrin:
meanchicken
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Tim,
Glad to have you back. While you were away, I single handedly looked after the kill section for you.
Note: there might me a Cady, that's getting modded as I speak, that will want a rematch with the Kill section "Top Gun". See http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303287-darn-spoolfool2.html
Also, I think I killed a moped for you while you were away. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303176-new-suzuki-bike-gets-walked-like-dog.html Figured that I'd let you sort it all out when you got back.
With that, I now return the torch of traffic light terror back to it's rightfull owner.
Let it be known! Clear the streets, and hide anything with wheels.
The Chicken is back!
Mike Barnard
P.S. If you plan on doing any more neato endurance testing on your head gaskets, be sure that you get adult supervision FIRST!
Thanks, Mike.
I appreciate the capable job you did supporting the Kill Section.
Don't hurt Gary too bad on the re-match
Oh....and it doesn't have to have wheels.
I raced a jogger across the intersection once...
Killed him.
Wait!....that's not what I meant....
Aaaah.... you know what I meant...:biggrin:
meanchicken
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HOPE YOU DON'T MIND
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Here are the real details kiddies...
I was involved in an experiment to gather physical proof to the effects that a summers worth of excessive heat combined with relentless street kill action would have on a set of turbo Buick cylinder heads and RJC gaskets.
Well....the results were predictable, but at least now we have documented evidence to support the claim that: Heat = Bad.
Some have seen my scatterred posts over the last few months that my engine was running too hot...in fact many of my posts leading up to the Oct 31 event I mentioned it.
On cool mornings and evenings, it would stay safely below 180deg, but in the hot day and afternoons, the temps in traffic would climb to 220+ and had several excursions North to the 230-245 range after a kill....but then the high speed on the fan would kick in and take it back down to 220 or so...
In the interest of the team, I continued the experiment throughout the summer and fall months. I'm a giver...
Towards the end of summer, the engine began to idle rough. I changed the plugs, and #1 and #6 looked pretty rough, but I pressed on. The idle smoothed....mostly....and it seemed to be running fine at cruise or under load....so determined....I pressed on.
Replacing a bad coil pack also helped with a seperate issue....so the experiment continued...
With the safe knowledge that Pappa Lou can fix anything, I was unhindered by fear, common sense, and reason...and my fans in the Kill section were relying on me to represent....I could not let them down. Life was good. I felt needed....:redface:
As race day approached, I decided I should probably go ahead and end the experiment and fix the root cause of the heat issue because I did not want to grenade at the track....but that pesky rough idle had returned and seemed to be getting worse again...tsk, tsk, tsk....
The stock radiator which had been re-cored approx 3 years ago by the previous owner, and the tired out OE fan were overdue for retirement. They could not keep up with me.
So an F-body radiator went in, and the temps dropped to the 170-180 range on a hot day...170 or less on cool days....165 or less in the AM and PM. These $100 radiators are great cooling bang for the buck. I also placed an order with gbodyparts.com for the dual fans and Caspers relay harness....and the 7 week waiting game began for those to arrive.
In spite of the rough idle issue, I was still able to kill a Carrera S and 4S in the days leading up to the Oct 31 event....so I was feeling confident that there had been no serious damage for the months of excessive heat. All readings on the Scanmaster continued to register perfectly normal.
The day before race day, I made an appointment with Spoolfool2 to do some tuning, and who knows....maybe even finally isolate the reason my idle was a tad rough.
Well....got to Mikes, Harold showed up unannounced....and everything went downhill from there....:frown:
Mike and I had already discussed the idle issue, but mysteriously.....as Harold got closer to the car...it would get worse...it was quite odd to say the least...kinda creepy even....it was the Eve of Halloween
We commenced to swapping ign modules and coil packs and MAF's and such off of Mikes garage princess and now, 10 second proven show quality GN, and over to my street sweeping high 11 second capable daily driver.
Miscellaneous jokes and jabs from the peanut gallery were endured about the level of dirt and grime I'd managed to collect over 20,000 miles of heavy street driving...but I would calmly reply..."Yeah....dirt happens when you actually DRIVE YOUR CAR."
...the work continued...
Plugs were pulled and the #1 and #6 looked....well....let's just say....you couldn't even drink them pretty...they were that ugly. The rest of the plugs were also due for a change, but #1 and #6 were nasty.
Out came the compression check gauge.
#1 tested at 115, #6 tested at 85.....all others tested at around 140.
The failure mode had been isolated....low compression in a couple of cylinders......#6 was likely completely dead at idle.
We attempted a leakdown test but prognosis was inconclusive due to issues with the compressor, etc.
Harold whipped out his phone and dials...
"Hey Lou....this is Harold...we're at Mikes working on Meanchickens car.........."
I nearly lost consciousness as I fought off the compulsion to blow groceries all over Mikes driveway. Harold...yes THE Harold.... had just told Lou that he was working on my car.....
It was now known that I had broken Lou';s first and holiest commandment....
"Thou shalt have no other mechanic or wannabe mechanic....especially Harold...before me."
I don't even have a Will or Living Trust in place....Lou is gonna bypass the sheep outfit and go straight to murder over this one....what about my wife and kids?
As the buzzing in my ears and spiraling tunnel vision dissipated, I was somewhat relieved that Lou was giving advice on what to do next rather than having a complete melt down.
Whew....dodged a bullet there....at least for now....
With Lou off the phone, and at a safe 30 mile distance away from my physical location (and with me secretly hoping he had absolutely no control over where lightning bolts can strike....unless it could strike 5 feet to my lateral left and hit Harold instead....), we did a couple more checks and at least determined the rings were probably OK by injecting a little oil into #6 and confirming compression was unimproved.
It was time to go.
I would not be racing.
Assumptions at this point were that I'd found a way to blow an RJC gasket at 20lbs of boost.
I'm good at breaking stuff....almost as good as Ralph is...I'm just not as efficient as Ralph is...Ralph can break stuff withut even driving his car...he's a master breaker.......
I parked the GN in my garage, left for Thailand and waited for my turn in Lou's line up. Two weeks later after I got back from Thailand, the GN went to Lou.
The 2 week cooling off period proved to be key to me not being put to an early death for breaking the # 1 commandment...
Lou scolded me in a kind, grandfatherly way as Al watched form a safe distance on the other side of the lift, and then Lou took the GN in for some work and a little magic.
To make a long story short.....sort of....
Lou called me once he and Al got the heads off the car.
His one and only question...."When did you overheat this motor, Tim?"
I know better than to lie to my mechanic.
I'd lie to my wife....but never to my mechanic....
So I replied...."Pretty much all summer long....is that bad?"
I then confiessed to Lou the experiment I'd taken upon myself to complete over the summer. I wanted to surprise him with the result, but...he had found it all on his own.
DAMN!
Lou's good.
The heat at the front of #1 and back of #6 had been enough to actually cause the RJC's to seperate in these locations. No oil into water, water into oil, water into cylinder action was happening, but compression was escaping out of the cylinders. I still don;t know whay there was no hint of the problem on my ScanMaster...but....
I'd also managed to make a set of cylinder heads look like they had been through 100,000 miles of use in only 20,000 miles. A few of the valves were not sealing properly and the compression chambers looked pretty nasty.
Bottom end was inspected and is in good shape.
Minor wear on the cam.
Conclusion:
Heat = Bad
In spite of the carnage to the heads and gaskets, the GN was still knocking down 12 second Euro trash on the street, so...not bad for running on only 4.5 cylinders.
Don't try this at home
Pictures to follow.
No need to thank me for this completed study on the effects of heat on Buick heads and RJC gaskets. I proudly took a bullet for the team...
...but...
Donations to fund this experiment can be made to Meanchicken at the next cruise event.
Happy ending...
Lou had a nice set of ported heads and a port matched intake right there in his shop and ready to go onto my GN.
I must say....
How conveeeeeeeeeeeeeenient!!!:biggrin:
He gave me a screaming good deal on them and on they went.
They now are on my engine, and initial test run results produced the text in my first post in this string....
More to come.
:biggrin:
Added bonus.....it's kinda cool to be running on 6 cylinders again.
Thanks Papa lou!
Special thanks to Papa's beautiful assistant, Al, also!
Al helped out with the nuts and bolts work in Lou's shop.
Dual fans go on this weekend.
HOPE YOU DON'T MIND
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Not at all.
I was waiting for it.
Oh....
Hey Lou.
I looked around under the hood and noticed a bunch of my dirt and grease is missing.
I love dirt and grease....even got some of it on Mike and Harold so they know what working a GN that's daily driven is like.
Can I come back after the holiday and get it reinstalled?
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Tim here is a pic of whats involve in work poor baby.
rjc held up good not letting water get into your oil.
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Tim here is a pic of whats involve in work poor baby.
rjc held up good not letting water get into your oil.
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I think I have one, If I do it's yours no charge. Why should mean chicken be the only one getting all the breaks. Just be prepared to go for a beer with me & Al if you choose to accept this charity. Call me 949-378-1590 & I will check my dwindling supply of parts. Lou
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Tim,
Glad to have you back. While you were away, I single handedly looked after the kill section for you.
Note: there might me a Cady, that's getting modded as I speak, that will want a rematch with the Kill section "Top Gun". See http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303287-darn-spoolfool2.html
Also, I think I killed a moped for you while you were away. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/kill-fish-stories/303176-new-suzuki-bike-gets-walked-like-dog.html Figured that I'd let you sort it all out when you got back.
With that, I now return the torch of traffic light terror back to it's rightfull owner.
Let it be known! Clear the streets, and hide anything with wheels.
The Chicken is back!
Mike Barnard
P.S. If you plan on doing any more neato endurance testing on your head gaskets, be sure that you get adult supervision FIRST!
I hear that this car and it's driver can be hired a lot cheaper than I can build on mine. This Cad could probably give Mike a run for his money, as soon as he figures out how to get it to hook.
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Thats what a torched set of heads look like & was worth the thousand rambling word explanation by the chicken. He gives poor RJC a bad name. Miraculously the bottom end wasn't affected because of the quality parts & machine work used. So here's a hearty & big shut up stupid !
Thats what a torched set of heads look like & was worth the thousand rambling word explanation by the chicken. He gives poor RJC a bad name. Miraculously the bottom end wasn't affected because of the quality parts & machine work used. So here's a hearty & big shut up stupid !
meanchicken
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I strongly dissagree...
In my narrow minded opinion, I should be the only one getting the freebee's and breaks.
No fault of RJC....all me....:redface:
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Chicken you should write a book...I was in tears reading the real story
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