ski_dwn_it
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OK fellas, Craig if your out there and Norbs or anyone else that might be able to shed some light on this mystery....
Here is what is happening. This is the SECOND time in past 2 months this has occured.
First time I was trying to start the car and the battery was low, the car drained the battery while trying to start and starter just "clicked". Ran over got the jumper pack, like I have many times, and tried starting the car. The car turned over a few times and inbetween starts the key left on, tried to turn the car over again and motor froze. Turned out the first time to be the injectors are just stuck on, and fuel poured into the motor hydrolocking it. Fortunately for me the start I have is not strong enough to do anything, nor does the motor when this is happening doesn't even give a hint of trying to fire, just cranks until it freezes.
First time I disconnected the battery to reset the computer; rehooked up battery, all plugs out and tried to just hit the key to energize ECM, gas still just poured out of the plug holes! WTF. Unhooked all injector clips to see if it was a stuck injectors issue or they were being powered by the ECM open. Ht the key again to energize everything - no fuel. Ok ECM is powering them open - ALL AT ONCE! every one is doing this when it does it.
Put the clips back on injector, energize again and still pours fuel. WTF (again)
This time I am at wits end, figure I would unhook the injector harness itself from rest of harness. Again no fuel this try (would expect the same as injector clips). Put it back together and try it again. This time everything is perfect. Try it several more times no problems. Change oil (saturated with fuel - 90 dollars worth!) and check everything out, nothing damaged.
Run the motor for ~1.5 months no problems or anything. Car start is all conditions within 1 or 2 cranks (hot, cold, medium heat etc). Put about 1000 miles on car - never misses a beat.
Fast forward to tonight. Wanting to go racing this weekend, I come home from kids ballgame, jump in car to head to gas station to fill it up. Car starts right up and we start to go down to the gas station about .25 miles away, just get out on road and car completely shuts off, like someone turned the key off (mind you this is what the car did to me that other time it flooded too, then I cranked it trying to start it adn it killed the battery). So now I am with my 4 yr old in his car seat setting on the highway, cars backing up. I turn the key all the way to OFF, sit there for a few seconds, and it fires right up....we head down to gas station without any further problems. Pull in and I fill it up. Get in and try to start it and it just cranks and cranks...doesn't sound like I have any spark at all, cause car is not even trying to fire, just strong cranking. Voltage of battery 12.2 as I watch it start to decrease while cranking. Crank it a little and let it set. crank and let set. The last time I must have left the key to ON, engergizing the pump, and again the sound of the hydrolocked motor again! REALLY PISSED this time, stranded .25miles from my house, at the friggin pump in a busy as heck gas station.
Had to call my father, who came up, he watched the kid and car while I ran to the house, got the trailer and tried to winch the car up on.
Got home and pulled all plugs, FuEl all over every plug. He turned key on ~1hr after original flooding and fuel again just POURS out.
Unhooked ECM and going to send it into DFI to be looked.
Before I called them after the first incident and they told me the ONLY way the injectors fire is if the ECM get a signal from the ingition. Well this motor is not turning over with the key to ON, and it just POURS out the plug holes!
And it not the injectors themselves because without power they are fine.
You guys have any ideas? Screwed me out of another race weekend........
Anyone have Craig's phone number, called DFI last time and they said he no longer works there???? He really helped me before and we have chatter before on other things, would really like to hear his input.
Norbs the rest of you guys......ideas?
Thanks
PS: REally gonna be POed if this hurt that motor.
Here is what is happening. This is the SECOND time in past 2 months this has occured.
First time I was trying to start the car and the battery was low, the car drained the battery while trying to start and starter just "clicked". Ran over got the jumper pack, like I have many times, and tried starting the car. The car turned over a few times and inbetween starts the key left on, tried to turn the car over again and motor froze. Turned out the first time to be the injectors are just stuck on, and fuel poured into the motor hydrolocking it. Fortunately for me the start I have is not strong enough to do anything, nor does the motor when this is happening doesn't even give a hint of trying to fire, just cranks until it freezes.
First time I disconnected the battery to reset the computer; rehooked up battery, all plugs out and tried to just hit the key to energize ECM, gas still just poured out of the plug holes! WTF. Unhooked all injector clips to see if it was a stuck injectors issue or they were being powered by the ECM open. Ht the key again to energize everything - no fuel. Ok ECM is powering them open - ALL AT ONCE! every one is doing this when it does it.
Put the clips back on injector, energize again and still pours fuel. WTF (again)
This time I am at wits end, figure I would unhook the injector harness itself from rest of harness. Again no fuel this try (would expect the same as injector clips). Put it back together and try it again. This time everything is perfect. Try it several more times no problems. Change oil (saturated with fuel - 90 dollars worth!) and check everything out, nothing damaged.
Run the motor for ~1.5 months no problems or anything. Car start is all conditions within 1 or 2 cranks (hot, cold, medium heat etc). Put about 1000 miles on car - never misses a beat.
Fast forward to tonight. Wanting to go racing this weekend, I come home from kids ballgame, jump in car to head to gas station to fill it up. Car starts right up and we start to go down to the gas station about .25 miles away, just get out on road and car completely shuts off, like someone turned the key off (mind you this is what the car did to me that other time it flooded too, then I cranked it trying to start it adn it killed the battery). So now I am with my 4 yr old in his car seat setting on the highway, cars backing up. I turn the key all the way to OFF, sit there for a few seconds, and it fires right up....we head down to gas station without any further problems. Pull in and I fill it up. Get in and try to start it and it just cranks and cranks...doesn't sound like I have any spark at all, cause car is not even trying to fire, just strong cranking. Voltage of battery 12.2 as I watch it start to decrease while cranking. Crank it a little and let it set. crank and let set. The last time I must have left the key to ON, engergizing the pump, and again the sound of the hydrolocked motor again! REALLY PISSED this time, stranded .25miles from my house, at the friggin pump in a busy as heck gas station.
Had to call my father, who came up, he watched the kid and car while I ran to the house, got the trailer and tried to winch the car up on.
Got home and pulled all plugs, FuEl all over every plug. He turned key on ~1hr after original flooding and fuel again just POURS out.
Unhooked ECM and going to send it into DFI to be looked.
Before I called them after the first incident and they told me the ONLY way the injectors fire is if the ECM get a signal from the ingition. Well this motor is not turning over with the key to ON, and it just POURS out the plug holes!
And it not the injectors themselves because without power they are fine.
You guys have any ideas? Screwed me out of another race weekend........
Anyone have Craig's phone number, called DFI last time and they said he no longer works there???? He really helped me before and we have chatter before on other things, would really like to hear his input.
Norbs the rest of you guys......ideas?
Thanks
PS: REally gonna be POed if this hurt that motor.