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I run it through my cutout so there definetly could be some flames:cool: Anyway yeah I will try a base run with no nitro at 14 pounds of boost and then a nitro run at 14 pounds, then if it blows up Ill promptly shoot myself in the face.

But anyways looking for a little bit of input by Razor on the after oil idea. Is this stuf compatible with the alky kit? I just want to use it to flush any ntro out of the system. And will the nitro hurt my engine?

And also I still need to gtet some chips from Eric so do you think I would need to change the timing big time for the nitro as stated by quickwrench? I could get a chip for methanol then a chip for the nitro if needed. Also whats a good educated guess on the timing I would need to run.
 
definately run some lower timing when trying the nitro at first. maybe 20 in each gear? i dont think nitro will hurt the motor other than the obvious reasons. its liquid nitrous so you are adding a lot more air into those cylinders.
hopefully some "smart" people will get in on this topic. lol.
GOOD LUCK
 
I wouldn't fiddle at all with the timing in your chips. I do not know how nitro and gas react to each other, but I have a close personal friend that owns a Top Fuel team and they run crazy timing to get the nitro to burn in the cylinder. However, nitro is weird in that the LESS you use the LESS TIMING you run. The MORE nitro you use the MORE TIMING it requires. I would say whatever chip you have should be fine for both pump gas and pump with nitro, especially if you are only running 10% or so. Just make sure you really fatten up your alky kit and watch the EGT's. Nitro methane has a stoich of 1.7:1. and alky is 6.7:1 roughly, so you do the math and fatten it up according to the percentage of Nitro you plan to use. However, it is doubtfull that you will get any sort of exhaust flame on 10% lol. Good luck and keep us posted, Drew
 
Just for info on the RC fuel....
It's usually a mxture of...

10-20% nitro
12-20% oil (castor, synthetic or both)
The balance is Methanol to make up the 100%

Plastic fuel tanks are th norm in most models along with silicone fuel lines. Care is usually taken to run the engine dry and lube with some sort of after run oil to prevent corosion from eating on internal engine parts.
This shoulden't be too bad on a Buick since it's not being used as a primary fuel. Usually the engine runs long enough between spraying and shuttind down to dry out any residue in the engine. I just wouldn't spray it a idle then shut it down for 3 months. :p
 
Not sure if I want to try it, some guy said they tried it on their Buick and it was too hard to get it right. Said it was really hard to get it to burn and it detonated easily.
 
I have been researching using Nitromethane in a street turbocharged application for about a year now, I also spent a long time trying to actually obtain some nitromethane. I did finally get some and conduct some tests. I'll try to give a brief summary.

The stuff is awesome in theory; it is nearly 50% oxygen by content; this would be even more than nitrous oxide (per volume) but since the Nitro is so explosive and volatile and difficult to use/handle/obtain it would not be something you'd use to as large an extent as Nitrous. I know someone said "why not just turn up the boost or run a larger turbo or install heads/cam?" well all those things come with their own compromises in cost/time/streetability/etc. and the Nitro idea, if it works, would be easier than nitrous and like a temporary power boost with no compromises and no detectability (good for street racing).

Make no mistake - this is the ultimate fuel I have found in terms of power production. 500CI Top Fuel engine producing 8000HP is 16HP/ci - try to find anything else that comes even close. Of course that is consuming 90% Nitro but you get can idea of the potential. Imagine a 231ci V6 producing 3700HP (dreaming..).

It is extremely expensive, especially in small quantities. I paid $50 for 1 gallon from a VP Racing Fuels distributor - 99.0%+ pure Nitro. I think it would have been $125 for 5 gallons so a little cheaper there but certainly not something "cheap" to use and would get costly if used long term. Most places did not carry it or sell to the public, the only one I could find was World Wide Fuels at www.worldwidefuels.com (I think) and a local VP Racing Fuels dealer , but when I ordered it from them they were a little confused because nobody had ever ordered it before and I had to "luck out" by "catching the distributor truck" in the right part of the state (I guess that only happens every 2-3 months.)

I ran it in 4oz quantities mixed with half-gallon Methanol in my 11 second Syclone around 20-22 PSI boost. Unfortunately I found it to be of absolutely no benefit and it actually caused my truck to ping for the very first time I've ever heard in 3 years of racing/beating this truck. I tried various timing settings, various fueling settings, I also tried 8oz of Nitro per half-gallon Methanol and that only worsened the results. I did not see any big change on the WB02 when the alky-nitro spray was activated compared to just pure alky. I am sure if I had been spraying 100% Nitro I would see a difference but didn't feel that was a safe/reasonable/sane test to perform :) For the most part the Knock retard just increased the more nitro I added.

My testing was cut short due to tranny failure and lack of chip editing equipment; I have those solved now but it's winter time. My Conclusion for this product is that it may hold serious promise but would require very specific tuning to reap the gains. It certainly is not something like nitrous where it will make you significantly faster just by activating it in any tune (safe or not).

I hope some other folks can test it out and post their results; I am a very green tuner and I am sure there are chip-editing people out there who could take this test much further than I have.

One good reference on the web for Turbocharged - Nitro info is www.turbofast.com.au if you look for their technical info they explain how turbos work and then progress into using them with nitromethane. (I think this information may be a bit dated though.)

Another thought I had was perhaps the reason you don't see anyone using significant nitromethane use on a turbocharged application is that the exhaust may get so hot to exceed the limits of a turbine wheel - could that be possible?
 
That was a good read. Seems that the one fellows conclusion of it detonating too easy was true. Also seems like it is hard to burn. Im not sure if I really want to try it I may give that snow performance stuff a try though.
 
Originally posted by TookyCat
I have been researching using Nitromethane in a street turbocharged application for about a year now, I also spent a long time trying to actually obtain some nitromethane. I did finally get some and conduct some tests.
And Tim McVeigh just walked up to someone at the TexasMotorplex during the NHRA Nationals and bought 55 gallons of it and took it back to Oklahoma....
 
Originally posted by 2QUIK6
And Tim McVeigh just walked up to someone at the TexasMotorplex during the NHRA Nationals and bought 55 gallons of it and took it back to Oklahoma....



Oh god let the conspiracy theories fly :D
 
Originally posted by TookyCat

One poster said it "was really a kick in the pants.." take a look for more info.

Ya mean the wallet. :D

Butt Dyno's are way over rated ;)
 
I've had an idea to use razor's kit to inject some xylene or toulene directly. I can't seem to find any vaporization rates or cooling effect by using it, although it's known to boost octane (114 and 117 respectively)It should do the same if not more when it's not being heated byt the pump or friction paaing through the fuel lines.

Anyone wanna try. I haven't tried alky yet cept for the lots o drinking I do ;)
 
Originally posted by trading t/a
I've had an idea to use razor's kit to inject some xylene or toulene directly. I can't seem to find any vaporization rates or cooling effect by using it, although it's known to boost octane (114 and 117 respectively)It should do the same if not more when it's not being heated byt the pump or friction paaing through the fuel lines.

Anyone wanna try. I haven't tried alky yet cept for the lots o drinking I do ;)

i used to use xylene and marvel mystery oil straight into my tank. a few gallons worth. i think it would work better this way instead of using it in the alky kit.
 
I just figured since it's known to eat rubber lines, etc. It would be easier to inject it into the plenum or uppipe that way, it can't deteriorate the o-rings on the injectors, the pickup, hard to find TTA rubber fuel lines ;) etc.

Just an idea
 
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