Oil additives

[turboc87gn]

hello turboc; Your story sounds familiar. But a friend of mine had a regal (not turbo) and he was driving in the mountains of NH and his engine sounded weird and when he checked his oil. There was none on the stick. He took over 4 quarts. The engine never seized, he doesn,t know where it went. And he still drove with no problems. I do believe it was regular oil in without any additives. I think he was lucky.
IBBY

Hey i dunno if it was the additives the synthetic or none of the above but the last few motors i personally saw that were run that low on oil ended up locked up or knockin like monkey with a bag full of hammers...Mabye i was lucky but i can say ive logged 308,740 miles + idleing all night on a frequuent basis + ran the motor out of oil and it still runs smooth so ill keep usin the additives ...:biggrin:

 

[Dennis Kirban]

kirban 2 cents worth

While many options exist I think by this place in time most turbo owners agree that current SM oils with 600-800 ppms is not sufficent when the oil back in 1987 when our cars were new under the SF stamp had 1,800 ppm.

There is no disagreement among all the experts that zddp is a lubricant that has been in oil for 60-70 years....its the levels that have changed everytime a new category is introduced.

The simplest solution for many is to keep using whatever oil you favor, and simply add one four ounce bottle of zddplus which will bring that ppm level back to 1,800. Its true special oils contain more zddp most are marginal at best.

The unique situation with zddplus is it was brought to market as stated by Richard Clark, who if you are not familar with, has without any doubt in anyones mind the largest collection of Grand Nationals/GNXs and related parts. Again true fact.

ZDDplus has Don Garlits as its spokesperson who in any race circles is well known for being a hands on dragracer with an incredible amount of National titles under his belt. The product is also sold by 4 cam companies. Isky, Crower, Delta and we did a private label for Erson cams....

We sell to major companies most engine warehouses, Eastwood, Moss Motors, Year One, Ecklers, National Parts Depot just to name a few. I see by your signature you reside in Bradenton, Florida. I myself, and Richard Clark will be in Ocala first weekend in November at the 29th Mopar event at Don Garlits museum show and have ZDDPlus available.

Companies like I mentioned, don't carry a product such as this unless it does what it claims.
We also sell direct to the major Studebaker companies, Thunderbird companies, Corvair Company etc. We have testamonials even one from Dove manufacturer who is the leading company making roller rockers in the US...they use it.

We even had the original oil from a 2006 Corvette ZO6 tested....over 3,000 ppm was n that oil from the factory.

Our company Kirban Performance, is the largest supplier of this product.

Wear issues is not reverseable, if you do nothing and simply use the current SM oil. There is absolutely nothing in our 4 ounce bottle that was not in the motor oil originally back in 1986. It would take 2 bottles of GM EOS to equal what we have in four ounces.

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

[V6UnderPressure]

While reading through this I've noticed that some "love" synthetic and some "hate" synthetic. As mentioned before, the only true way to tell if your oil is worth what you claim, is to have an oil analysis done. For those putting all their faith in dino, I am sure your mind will change when you send that oil in for analyzing. Then run synthetic, and send a sample in for analyzing. The truth will set you free. But yes, you do need ZDDP.

 

[GARY HARVEY]

Some "Racing Oil" considerations...

Racing Oils are not designed for a street car.
If you change your oil every time you run your car, which is what "Racing Oils" are designed for "great", don't be misguided and think because it says "Racing Oil" on the can, that the oil can successfully be used in a street car.
If you don't mind changing your oil every 1,000 or sooner miles, heavy zinc "Racing Oils" maybe your ticket.
I'd suggest most any of the synthetics will cover your needs and ZDDP for some insurance won't hurt.
Zinc ppm's have been lowered to stop killing catalytic converters & if you have a roller type cam follower's, you can stop worrying.

 

[Dennis Kirban]

Racing Oils are not designed for a street car.
If you change your oil every time you run your car, which is what "Racing Oils" are designed for "great", don't be misguided and think because it says "Racing Oil" on the can, that the oil can successfully be used in a street car.
If you don't mind changing your oil every 1,000 or sooner miles, heavy zinc "Racing Oils" maybe your ticket.
I'd suggest most any of the synthetics will cover your needs and ZDDP for some insurance won't hurt.
Zinc ppm's have been lowered to stop killing catalytic converters & if you have a roller type cam follower's, you can stop worrying.

kirban 2 cents worth

I agree mostly with the above exception being builders of performance engines even with roller set ups are now starting to see problems of wear and scuffing...I deal with one shop that builds 1,000 hp engines and tears them down and since using our product it has virtually eliminated that problem.

I also have a testamonial from Dove manufacturing who is the largest producer of roller set ups in the USA so I am told. Same deal the product is needed.

Our 4 ounce bottle is nothing short of what was in the oil when these cars were new. While choices are many, if you continue to use any SM oil and nothing else that offers additional zddp you can virtually expect wear issues to develop.....unless your car is a museum piece!

Kinda like smoking......some people although probably only a few percentage can smoke every day for 60 plus years and not ever get cancer. Others are not that lucky.

We are not marketing a product that was not in the oil originally but marketing the proper concentration level of zddp to bring the current SM oil back to 1,800 ppm which is approximately what it was in 1988.

The issue is not just related to break in.....remember the government is not known to be thrilled with our old cars still on the road.

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

[kietzman]

STP's red vs. blue

So if I just added a bottle of the blue STP oil treatment with ZDDP, will that do harm because it is thicker than the red, 4 cylinder version?