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Sam i fixed the above paragraph ,way to much punctuation for me
OK, I've had it, (rant ahead)
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Sam i fixed the above paragraph ,way to much punctuation for me
I'm sure that Wal-Mart moving in to a small town most certainly does devastate small business. It's debatable whether that is a good thing or not. On the one hand it may be good for the consumer, but bad for the local merchants. However, I don't buy the argument that when Wal-Mart moves in that suddenly all opportunities for meaningful employment in the community suddenly evaporates. In any city there are plenty of other opportunities outside of the retail sector. turbosam6 listed a bunch of them.
Do any of these Wal-Mart employees that whine about being abused ever consider that if they found employment elsewhere and no one was willing to work for 5 bucks an hour Wal-Mart would be forced to up their pay? That's how it works in a competitive labor market.
Do any of these Wal-Mart employees that whine about being abused ever consider that if they found employment elsewhere and no one was willing to work for 5 bucks an hour Wal-Mart would be forced to up their pay? That's how it works in a competitive labor market.
Man Dennis you had me going. I read my own paragraph before reading what you posted, and I thought I was losing my mind! I was like "Holy sh!t I'm stupid too!"
Sadly, thats how alot of posts read here. I will say this, the buick boards aren't nearly as bad as some others I've been on, but I usually consider Buick enthusiasts more educated than your typical big block camaro crowd. No offense.
A side note, way off topic, and I'm sure to piss off a few people with this one, but I gotta say this: I recently started frequenting some mustang websites, and have been looking at pictures of mustangs to get ideas for my own. 9 out 10 pictures have been taken at a trailer park. Coincidence? Doubt it. I thought it was funny. No offense to any trailer dwellers here.
Sadly, thats how alot of posts read here. I will say this, the buick boards aren't nearly as bad as some others I've been on, but I usually consider Buick enthusiasts more educated than your typical big block camaro crowd. No offense.
A side note, way off topic, and I'm sure to piss off a few people with this one, but I gotta say this: I recently started frequenting some mustang websites, and have been looking at pictures of mustangs to get ideas for my own. 9 out 10 pictures have been taken at a trailer park. Coincidence? Doubt it. I thought it was funny. No offense to any trailer dwellers here.
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Double wide here! 
Just skimmed this thread.
Most entry level worker's(besides illegal aliens) now earn alot more than minimum wage.
Hell,Mickey D's start's people at $9 an hour cause no one wants a ****ty job.
Most jobs being sent oversea's are sent to India.A 3rd world country that can do the work for pennies on the dollar.From telemarketing to online physician's/drug store's.
Most entry level worker's(besides illegal aliens) now earn alot more than minimum wage.
Hell,Mickey D's start's people at $9 an hour cause no one wants a ****ty job.
Most jobs being sent oversea's are sent to India.A 3rd world country that can do the work for pennies on the dollar.From telemarketing to online physician's/drug store's.
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Renting a single-wide here.
Trailers are cheaper than houses. You spend money however you want. Some people would rather spend it on nice cars and live cheaply.
Back to the topic:
Unions are important in certain areas.
If you work in an ultra competitive business, where profit margins are small and the market fluctuates daily, the company will do whatever it takes to make a buck.
Take Walmart. I worked for them, and it sucked. They dont pay anything (was my second job at the time) and they treat you like robots, not people. They expect you to work overtime without pay, even though they wont tell you that outright. Forget any benefits, healthcare, pension, raises, etc. Companies like that are so big, that if you didnt wear a name tag, they wouldnt remember who you are, let alone what a good job you did on anything.
In this town, Walmart moved in and everything else just died. We lost most of our other stores. We used to have Kmart, Ames, a P&C, Grand Union, among several other locally owned places. In a 2 college town, there are plenty of people willing to work for 5.15/hr. There isn't much else here. There used to be, though. Which is why I live here, and commute 30 miles each way to work everyday.... To my UNION job! Where I have worked for 6.5 years, and get healthcare, prescription plan, dental plan, and a pension. The union is large enough to get all of those things for us through negotiations, that most companies like mine wouldnt be able to provide on their own. Do I pay dues? Sure. For what I pay in dues, I get excellent benefits.
And if you think that the people slack off because the union will let them, think again. It doesnt work that way. Im mid-management, so I see both sides. If you are doing your job, you have nothing to worry about. If you screw around, the union will not bail you out.
Trailers are cheaper than houses. You spend money however you want. Some people would rather spend it on nice cars and live cheaply.
Back to the topic:
Unions are important in certain areas.
If you work in an ultra competitive business, where profit margins are small and the market fluctuates daily, the company will do whatever it takes to make a buck.
Take Walmart. I worked for them, and it sucked. They dont pay anything (was my second job at the time) and they treat you like robots, not people. They expect you to work overtime without pay, even though they wont tell you that outright. Forget any benefits, healthcare, pension, raises, etc. Companies like that are so big, that if you didnt wear a name tag, they wouldnt remember who you are, let alone what a good job you did on anything.
In this town, Walmart moved in and everything else just died. We lost most of our other stores. We used to have Kmart, Ames, a P&C, Grand Union, among several other locally owned places. In a 2 college town, there are plenty of people willing to work for 5.15/hr. There isn't much else here. There used to be, though. Which is why I live here, and commute 30 miles each way to work everyday.... To my UNION job! Where I have worked for 6.5 years, and get healthcare, prescription plan, dental plan, and a pension. The union is large enough to get all of those things for us through negotiations, that most companies like mine wouldnt be able to provide on their own. Do I pay dues? Sure. For what I pay in dues, I get excellent benefits.
And if you think that the people slack off because the union will let them, think again. It doesnt work that way. Im mid-management, so I see both sides. If you are doing your job, you have nothing to worry about. If you screw around, the union will not bail you out.
Originally posted by 1QWIK6
If it wern't for UNIONS, most of us would be paid the MININIMUM WAGE ALLOWED BY LAW!Live better, work UNION.
Spoken like a person who might really need a union.Most likely has a job you could train anyone to do in an hour(A half hour of that being lunch).
Dude... that's a cold shot right there.
Union... non-union pros and cons to both. Frankly I can see both sides and it is a wash IMO
Why be frustrated that someone will not take the time to better themselves? I came from nothing (financially anyways) I knew in elementary school that I would not be able to go to college. Parents were alcoholics and drug addicts. I just did what I could until I cared enough to do more. I found out I was going to be a father when I was 16. I worked two fast food jobs, 80 hours a week. Busted my a$$ everywhere I could, scratched my way up to doing anything that anyone would teach me...
I worked up to a single job for 8 an hr, then 10 then piece price work for 700-800 a wk and so on. Now I make six figures as a contractor and I never graduated High School. I get paid for what I do - sure, I can work 35 hrs a week and take home 7-800 after expenses. but I put in 80-100 hr weeks and take home 2400-4000.
If I never took the time to learn everything I could as I went, I would not be anywhere near where I am at today. If you have the drive and a "do what it takes no matter what - failure is not an option" attitude - You WILL make it in life.
Oh yeah... I have ODD and ADHD too not diagnosed until adulthood. I think it is an advantage...
If you are not happy working for a company - find something you like and work for yourself.
You obviously haven't lived in too many small towns. If you traveled across the US I bet you that you would find at least a thousand towns where Wal-Mart is the primary employer. Wal-Mart is the world's largest employer with about 1.2 million people working for it. Hell, in some areas jobs are so scarce that you can't even get in at Wal-Mart.
Now granted people should move on at that point to somewhere else, but like I said, it isn't that easy for some people. I'm not trying to make excuses, I've moved across half the world for school and work as well. In the last ten years I've probably had nine or ten different residences. It certainly isn't easy and if I had had a wife and kids it might have been completely impossible.
Which is a point way too often over looked. Now that they've done their best to close all the smaller stores, they're the only game in town. An folks think they're getting good deals there, ya, well, just wait until they're the only store, and start charging whatever they want. Again, short sighted, non thinkers, trying to save a penny at any cost.
Anyone remember EJ Korvette's from the mid 50s in NY?. The only thing they did wrong was not being as good at cleaning out all the competition that WalMart has.
Not to mention the Feds have just about destroyed any hope of there being any true competition in the gasoline industry anymore.
Someone said the union jobs are going overseas is incorrect. The union forces companies to keep jobs hear its the non union jobs leaving. And as for the union making money like the big CORPS. that also is incorrect. Every union meeting we have every dollar collected and spent has to be accounted for and anounced. Any money left in the bank is also accounted for and announced and you might be surprised by the end total,and I work for IBEW one of the largest and strongest. Great thread
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Do I LOVE this thread.
This has to be one of the all time best.
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Do I LOVE this thread.
This has to be one of the all time best.
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One of the best threads......
Hey Sam your motor is a alive
I for one got my first taste of corperate america when i worked for phillips semi conductors here in NM
1.very low pay
2.on your feet the whole time(12hrs strait)
3.1hr lunch 2 5min brks
4.dont know your name just your number
5.benifits but you had to pay for and that brings back to 1
6.everything was processed and micro managed
7.everyone hated it
8.one miss up written up two and fired
9.count idle time
at the time i was going to a local community collage for electrical engineering and thank god i didnt all the people there were trying to latteral to intel
Im in the union now with my current job now and I myself dont need it in the sense i dont mess around but I love the fact
1.JOB SECURITY
2.fight the city for raises and bring the media if have to
3.wont get fired just becuase your opion differs from someone else
4.rules are inforced that were agreed upon by the employer
5.i have a say
6.retirement at 20yrs not 19.5 then get fired
I must say that ive noticed that now days everything is so competive in the job markets and theres always someone that will do the job cheaper(work for less) that is why i say to keep improving yourself in what you can offer to an employer
Johnny
You get out what you put in life... that is in everything
Hey Sam your motor is a alive
I for one got my first taste of corperate america when i worked for phillips semi conductors here in NM
1.very low pay
2.on your feet the whole time(12hrs strait)
3.1hr lunch 2 5min brks
4.dont know your name just your number
5.benifits but you had to pay for and that brings back to 1
6.everything was processed and micro managed
7.everyone hated it
8.one miss up written up two and fired
9.count idle time
at the time i was going to a local community collage for electrical engineering and thank god i didnt all the people there were trying to latteral to intel
Im in the union now with my current job now and I myself dont need it in the sense i dont mess around but I love the fact
1.JOB SECURITY
2.fight the city for raises and bring the media if have to
3.wont get fired just becuase your opion differs from someone else
4.rules are inforced that were agreed upon by the employer
5.i have a say
6.retirement at 20yrs not 19.5 then get fired
I must say that ive noticed that now days everything is so competive in the job markets and theres always someone that will do the job cheaper(work for less) that is why i say to keep improving yourself in what you can offer to an employer
Johnny
You get out what you put in life... that is in everything
Johnny, you boosted that motor yet? Hope it works out well for you!
There are some great points to being union. Its really sad that we even need the union though. Employers should be trustworthy and honest enough to be fair, but thats never going to happen in any aspect of life. Thats why we have criminals.
Let me ask you union guys something: Say an employer runs a union shop. The high wages he must pay negate how much he must sell his product for. But several non union companies, be they foriegn or domestic, sell the same prduct cheaper. What should said emplyer do? if he tries to go non union he will have the union all over him. If he stays union he will go out of business because no one is going to pay more for a product simply because it was union made. Theres no reason for any employer to be union anymore, other than the fact that the union will go to great lengths to ensure they suffer the consequences.
Being an employer, I once looked into it. The only thing I would get as an employer was less money because not only do I have to pay my guys more, but I have to pay the union for use of the guys. Of course all my guys wanted it, because they would make double what they were making which was already too much for what they knew. I let most of them go when I took over because they could not/ would not produce what they were costing me. If I was a bigger shop the union would have tried muscling me. Not only that, but as a manager, I could not work with tools. It was a rule. That only contributes to the high overhead, because I would have to hire someone to do the work I should have. Maybe its just some unions that are bad, but I assure you the primary concern of the union has shifted to those with deeper pockets, not the worker. I know some union higher ups, they do pretty damn good for themselves. Better than all the union workers I know. Kinda makes me sick whenever I see tham driving their Mercedes around.
Its like any politics, no ones in it for the people, they are in it for personal gain.
There are some great points to being union. Its really sad that we even need the union though. Employers should be trustworthy and honest enough to be fair, but thats never going to happen in any aspect of life. Thats why we have criminals.
Let me ask you union guys something: Say an employer runs a union shop. The high wages he must pay negate how much he must sell his product for. But several non union companies, be they foriegn or domestic, sell the same prduct cheaper. What should said emplyer do? if he tries to go non union he will have the union all over him. If he stays union he will go out of business because no one is going to pay more for a product simply because it was union made. Theres no reason for any employer to be union anymore, other than the fact that the union will go to great lengths to ensure they suffer the consequences.
Being an employer, I once looked into it. The only thing I would get as an employer was less money because not only do I have to pay my guys more, but I have to pay the union for use of the guys. Of course all my guys wanted it, because they would make double what they were making which was already too much for what they knew. I let most of them go when I took over because they could not/ would not produce what they were costing me. If I was a bigger shop the union would have tried muscling me. Not only that, but as a manager, I could not work with tools. It was a rule. That only contributes to the high overhead, because I would have to hire someone to do the work I should have. Maybe its just some unions that are bad, but I assure you the primary concern of the union has shifted to those with deeper pockets, not the worker. I know some union higher ups, they do pretty damn good for themselves. Better than all the union workers I know. Kinda makes me sick whenever I see tham driving their Mercedes around.
Its like any politics, no ones in it for the people, they are in it for personal gain.
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Sam not yet
Well then you answer your own question as an employer you wouldnt want the union as for the employee it may be in your best interest
WHY DOSE EVERYTHING KEEP GOING UP IN PRICE EXCEPT WAGES??
its all about the doller and GREED not just trying to make it anymore for many employers (not you sam)
"I cant live off 10 million i need at least 40 million" professional baseball player or football player
Oh but they risk their health???
I only risk my life for alot less
Johnny
its a wonder they hand out prozak like candy
Well then you answer your own question as an employer you wouldnt want the union as for the employee it may be in your best interest
WHY DOSE EVERYTHING KEEP GOING UP IN PRICE EXCEPT WAGES??
its all about the doller and GREED not just trying to make it anymore for many employers (not you sam)
"I cant live off 10 million i need at least 40 million" professional baseball player or football player
Oh but they risk their health???
I only risk my life for alot less
Johnny
its a wonder they hand out prozak like candy
Those people are really a special case, the .00001% of the population that makes that sort of cash really do earn it in the sense that they are a draw for the team. When they don't earn it, they don't get it. Those guys have a limited draw time in their lives when they can make that money and they have to take what they can get. Any of those guys could get injured at some point and be unable to play the game and then they are out on their ass. Nobody is going to pay them jack at that point. So I can understand wanting to make the most you can.
The team itself makes millions and these guys are bringing that money in from their popularity and playing ability. That they get a share of those millions is only fair as they are putting all their effort into being a player of the game for a certain number of years.
Before players really got a chunk of the change they did get paid crap and the owners ended up getting rich off these guys meanwhile most of the players ended up dying in obscurity and sometimes poverty. Now they get a fair shake when it comes to the income made from the sport. And of course it's all because of collective bargaining on the part of the players.
I'm sorry to hear about Sam's issue with union work. It definitely doesn't make sense in a competitive market to be paying more than market value for a worker. The problem is really striking a balance between maximizing profits and maximizing worker pay/benefits. If both sides can't compromise at some point then it becomes a problem.
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