Pumpless alky system

[TransAm]

They claim that it has no mechanical parts and will spray using engine vacuum to draw water into the motor. but #14 on their FAQ's doesnt make sense.
"A turbo-charged vehicle and/or a super-charged vehicle, never, ever will it ever pressurize the intake manifold. The turbo-charge and super-charge only ASSIST the cylinder fill. In other words, assisting the incoming vacuum. In essence, the intake manifold actually has a higher vacuum range and a much more prolonged vacuum range."

Since when turbos dont pressurise the intake manifold?

please check out their site and tell me what you think http://aquatune.com/faq.html

 

[Chuck Leeper]

ON CRACK??

This bull$hit deal should be found on the snopes2.com fraud/urban legend list.!!

6. What happens if I run out of water?

If the water runs out there is no harm to the engine. The only thing that happens is that the fuel economy and the horsepower revert back to what it was before the installation of this system.


Like, what if I run out of water, will it damage my engine? No, only give less mileage??YEP! that, and you will run out of pistons too! "Use ONLY the lowest octane you can find".
WTF is a "high sonic" frequency, or a "baromteric chamber"??

This borders on out and out fraud. 30% increase in power??

 

[TransAm]

Re: ON CRACK??

Originally posted by Chuck Leeper
This bull$hit deal should be found on the snopes2.com fraud/urban legend list.!!

6. What happens if I run out of water?

If the water runs out there is no harm to the engine. The only thing that happens is that the fuel economy and the horsepower revert back to what it was before the installation of this system.


Like, what if I run out of water, will it damage my engine? No, only give less mileage??YEP! that, and you will run out of pistons too! "Use ONLY the lowest octane you can find".
WTF is a "high sonic" frequency, or a "baromteric chamber"??

This borders on out and out fraud. 30% increase in power??

I dont think there they meant boosted cars or overboosted cars. i think they mean naturally aspirated or if boosted then no more boost than what came from the factory. obviously they didnt mean if you ran 25psi and ran out of water it wouldnt blow up. anyway my question was. do you think it will operate at all under boost being that there is no vacuum in the Intake manifold?

 

[Chuck Leeper]

Re: Re: ON CRACK??

Originally posted by TransAm
I dont think there they meant boosted cars or overboosted cars. i think they mean naturally aspirated or if boosted then no more boost than what came from the factory. obviously they didnt mean if you ran 25psi and ran out of water it wouldnt blow up. anyway my question was. do you think it will operate at all under boost being that there is no vacuum in the Intake manifold?

HMMMN, I wonder what this statement addressed??

"To better prove the point, in 1979 Buick had a turbo-charged carbureted vehicle and it worked quite well. This also put out 18 pounds of boost. As you well know, carburetors need vacuum in order to draw the fuel. "

I guess they do intend it to be used in "boosted" applications.

Maybe someone will take their BS to heart, and try it out. Let's say:
1. "Standard" heat range plugs.
2. Lowest octane fuel you can find.
3. Boost at 18psi.
4. Boost up, then turn the system off. See if your "performance drops, and the fuel mileage goes down".

I don't think it would work. Especially if the "barometric echo chamber" saw boost instead of vacuum...

 

[TransAm]

Re: Re: Re: ON CRACK??

Originally posted by Chuck Leeper
HMMMN, I wonder what this statement addressed??

"To better prove the point, in 1979 Buick had a turbo-charged carbureted vehicle and it worked quite well. This also put out 18 pounds of boost. As you well know, carburetors need vacuum in order to draw the fuel. "

I guess they do intend it to be used in "boosted" applications.

Maybe someone will take their BS to heart, and try it out. Let's say:
1. "Standard" heat range plugs.
2. Lowest octane fuel you can find.
3. Boost at 18psi.
4. Boost up, then turn the system off. See if your "performance drops, and the fuel mileage goes down".

I don't think it would work. Especially if the "barometric echo chamber" saw boost instead of vacuum...

You misunderstood me. put it like this. lets say you have this thing on a bone stock grand national and somehow it does give u a fuel economy boost.. then while driving u run out of water what will happen? will the bone stock GN motor detonate? no it wouldnt because its stock. only thing that would happen is it would go back to original specs and fuel economy would go back to normal.. they never said that it was intended for boosting past the stock wastegate now they never said " go boost 10 psi over stock and when you run out of water it will not hurt anything" Understand me now?

 

[Chuck Leeper]

???

"Understand me now?"
Absolutely clear and well understood....I guess I just "mis-read" the bull$hit they are spewing out.....

 

[TransAm]

Re: ???

Originally posted by Chuck Leeper
"Understand me now?"
Absolutely clear and well understood....I guess I just "mis-read" the bull$hit they are spewing out.....

I dont whats with all the Im not trying argue with or to piss you or anybody off and I dont care about fuel economy boost claims I just want to find out if its possible for this to work under boost if it relies on vacuum to draw walter/alcky.

 

[1badTTA]

For $379.30 I call BS!!!!

Even if it does something it won't do what it claims and the info they provide is total hogwash (removing carbon from the cylinder will provide a higher CR for example). It is kinda funny to read though, kinda like magnet on the fuel line etc....

 

[TransAm]

I just want to find out if its possible for this to work under boost if it relies on vacuum to draw walter/alcky.

 

[turbo buicks]

if something operates on vacuum, it wont operate the same way under boost i.e. vacuum brakes

btw, if you put this system on a stock GN at 15 psi and ran out of water or whatever you are right you wouldnt detonate but since you wouldnt detonate in the first place what is this system controlling? usually when i go WOT i could care less about fuel economy. this is just something to fudge things up more. dont try to re-invent the wheel, if it aint broke dont fix it, KISS, etc...

 

[TransAm]

Originally posted by turbo buicks
if something operates on vacuum, it wont operate the same way under boost i.e. vacuum brakes

btw, if you put this system on a stock GN at 15 psi and ran out of water or whatever you are right you wouldnt detonate but since you wouldnt detonate in the first place what is this system controlling? usually when i go WOT i could care less about fuel economy. this is just something to fudge things up more. dont try to re-invent the wheel, if it aint broke dont fix it, KISS, etc...

The putting it on a bone stock GN was just an example to explain what they most likely meant by not hurting anything if running out of water. i persoanlly would boost alot if I were to get something like this. I just wanted to know if it would actually work. now common sense is telling me it wouldnt work under boost because positive pressure shouldnt suck alky thru the lines like vacuum would. it would probably push the alky back into the lines. because thats the charateristic of pressurised air ( correct me if I am wrong)

however they do state a valid point. boosted carbeurated regals and GN's do still use vacuum to draw fuel into the motor while boosting at WOT. so does than mean positive pressure does kinda do the same thing that unpressurised vacuum does??

 

[Razor]

Wont work under boost.

Works under engine vacuum. To help rust out your exhuast.

Hows that.

What a waste of bandwidth and time.

HTH..

 

[2quiktocare]

I don't think Chuck is pissed off Trans am, rather, he can't believe you are still thinking this thing is nothing but a big scam. In plain language now, "it's a POS". If ya want to throw away $300 or so, send it to me for my personal pleasure fund and save yourself the trouble and possible damage to your engine. Niely said. Don't was your money on this thing. It isn't worth anything even on normally asperated cars. Mark

P.s. isn't this the same miracle product that was sold in the 70's as a way of doubling your economy and performance?

 

[Razor]

Forgot to add..you know where that tuning fork goes after they deplete your wallet

Not cracked water but cracked wallet

 

[2quiktocare]

LMAO, no, but I once had a customer that had crystals on her intake manifold for cosmic luck. Told her they caused her carb to clog up internally.

 

[Razor]

Speaking of crystals,

I was going to look inside my Buick crystal ball... but its broken

 

[turbo buicks]

unpressurized vacuum is a double negative. thats like saying not good evil. doesnt make sense. you are referring to the same things in a weird screwed up sorta way.

 

[turbo buicks]

by crystal ball do you mean transmission?

 

[Razor]

Nah man..crystal ball complete with tuning fork to obliverate the atomic particles with the H2O molecules rolling off the nizats

Dont need a crystal ball to know that 300 passes and driving around with 26 PSI on sticky tires doesnt take its toll on the poor 2004r..

 

[turbo buicks]

wow sounds like the trans held up pretty well.