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no start. every thing is new{rebuilt}.motor ran fine, but lost a lobe. pulled motor replaced cam, front cover, cam sensor,moved fusible links to firewall, rebuilt turbo. installed motor {had two wires crossed 6&2}. popped and banged, no start had cam and crank signal signal, noid lite and spark. pulled front cover to chk. cam timing all was lined up. thats when crossed wires were found. upon restart motor turn over normally 3 or 4 times then ran into itself, turned over like it had 16.1 compression still no start, had fire and noid lite on #1 inj. also broke brand new lt1 starter about second try. replaced module 2 times with auto zone piece{junk} both were dead,finally used delco unit, spark back now still no start. Quadruple chk cam and crank signals at module. replace ecm with delco # no change no start. unpluged est module no change. sounds like timing is retarded during cranking. can a maf cause a no start? tell me if i am wrong but cam sensor controls timing of fuel only and crank sensor triggers timing of spark. need some help :confused: :mad:
 
Sounds like a question for the members of the genius club, of which I am not. But as I understand it, yeah the cam sensor controls fuel timing, and the crank sensor controls spark. On aftermarket crank sensors there are two grooves, are you sure you have it in the right one? Furthest from the connector I believe. Here are some wise words from J Testa, maybe this will help some:

OK, to diagnose ANY car, you need to find what you have and dont have. The way *I* usually go about it (which might not be right to some people, but its methodical and consistant so I stick to it.

1) Note the check engine light (if EFI). If its not on, STOP and find out why. Listen to how it cranks. I can pick out compression problems doing this. If you are in tune to your car, you can too. Listen to the starter as each cyl comes up on compression stoke. You'll hear the starter slow down a little at that point. You bight hear deerdeerdeerdeer, where a dead cyl m ight sound like deerdeeeeedeerdeer (great sound effects huh?)

2)Depending how accessible the intake is, I'll shoot 3 or 4 seconds of carb cleaner into the plenum. Either thru the throttle body, or the brake booster vacuum port. If its a lack of fuel problem, the car may start, it may simply kick. If it does either, its time to look to fuel system (usually, although enrighening can bring out a low sec output problem too, so dont take my suggestion of fuel as law)

3) If the car kicked, I'll put a FP gauge on it. If fuel pressure isnt in spec, now you need to see why. Fuel pump, filter, resticted line, bad reg, low batt voltage, bad relay, blown fuse etc. If FP is in spec, its time to hook up a noid light and verify our injectors are getting pulsed. If youre not getting a pulse you will want to hook up a scanner and look for RPM during crank. If you are getting RPM signal, check for spark. If you're getting spark and no fuel, although there is a commanded PW (see below) you probably have a bad ECM. How fast it cranks isnt as important as the fact you get a RPM signal. Next you'll look at Coolant temp to see if it coincides with ambient )if the car is cold), and verify TPS isnt shorted to Vref which will put the car in clear flood and cut off fuel. If these all look OK, you'll want to take a look at commanded PW.

3) If the car didnt kick, I'll yank a plug wire and see if I got spark. If I got no spark, then I'll check also for inj pulse using a noid light. If I have neither its usually due to a dead crank sensor. If I have no spark, but I have injector pulse, its usually a module.
Typically:
No start - no spark, has inj pulse -> Module
No start - has spark no inj pulse -> ECM / cam sensor prob
No start - no spark OR inj pulse - crank sensor or module

Oh, and if the module is dead, I suggest putting a coil pack on it as well as most of the module failure are caused by an overheating or arcing coil.

See, its pretty cut and dry when you go back to basics of what the car needs. Air, fuel, spark, and compression. If any are missing, the car wont run. The hard part I guess is finding out what you DONT have, then finding out why. I guess I take my experience for granted, maybe it is difficult. Kinda like Me trying to learn or diagnose a Linux problem (Right Jeremy?)


HTH
 
Duke,
The ultra high compression sounds means that you have the cam sensor set wrong.
Try rotating the cam sensor clockwise about 1/8 turn. Sounds like you forgot #6 step. Been there done that....;)
Here is the procedure.
Cam Sensor Adjustment Procedure
1. Measure on a piece of masking tape and mark it at 1.45" and tape it to the Balancer at 0 degrees.
2. Bring #1 to TDC and then grab the intercooler fan and rotate the motor to your mark (25 degrees ATDC). This takes a
little patience and muscle. You can try bumping it with the starter, but I'm never very successful at that.
3. Back probe the middle wire of the cam sensor (marked B and normally blue) with a voltmeter. Turn the key ON, but
leave the engine OFF.
4. Loosen the sensor with a distributor wrench or a wobble socket and extension.
5. Rotate the sensor full CLOCKWISE. The voltmeter should read 7.5+ volts.
6. Slowly rotate the sensor COUNTER clockwise until the voltage drops.
7. Secure the sensor at the instant the voltage drops.


Gary
 
this is new good input,that will keep me busy for a bit. will let you know if frankenstien comes to life. one question, how far off can the cam sensor be and the motor run, .125 .250........?
 
Frankenstien lives!!!! it was step 6. thanks black car and striker_ 29. need any parts for your diesel pick up I can help:D
 
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