I just did the pypes on a car and it was for **** we had to cut a lot, the hangers for the tailpipes were over 1.5 inches different from side to side had to knock them off and reweld, Had to weld it all to get it to seal correctly, sounded kinda blah, cut mufflers back off and tossed them out put ultraflows on better.. not as good as the old atr stuff