I need new third clutches in my 2004r, and was consdering them. I had red's, and I hot spotted the steels and bought new red's that I thought were alto, but when they arrived they were "allomatic". When I put the trans back together I had a bad 2-3, so they are coming out. I know everyone seems to use Alto reds for the direct clutches, but I am just keeping an open mind and checking my options.