Razor Kit Fail Safe Features

[Mad_Trbo]

A quick question for everyone using the Razor alcohol kit.


Does it rely on the user to shut down the run if the pump runs out of alcohol or the pump fails? The user would know to do this through use of the the low level warning as well as the LED that comes on when the pump is working correct?

Something neat to consider that I think I will try once I get other areas sorted out. This is if the pump being used by Razor has a pressure switch right above where the power switch plugs in. I am going to use my old APEXI AVC-R boost controller on the t-type. The AVC-R has a scramble switch incorporated into it. I can use the pressure switch off of the pump to power the scramble switch. That way additional boost will only come on when the pump is pressurized and pumping.

Now to work through the timing issue, I wonder if the FAST XFI has the ability to accept input and based on input adjust timing up or down.

In reality what I will have are two boost settings one that works in normal driving mode and then an additional one that works when the alky comes on. Has anyone tried anything like this?

 

[jdsgnx]

sounds like a great idea!!!

let us know how it go's!!!!

thanksJD

 

[pacecarta]

you could rig the car from end to end with wires and sensors trying to failsafe it

you dont need two levels of boost , we hashed over this already and came up with some neat ideas mostly things you could do in the chip , do a search


a simple failsafe (alky or not ) is an audible knock sensor like the caspers , if you hear it LIFT and dont boost again till you find out why,

 

[Razor]

Sumthen new up my sleeve.. its in Beta right now as we speak..

Sometimes the simplest solutions are rite under one's nose and cant see it

Paul.. your gonna love this :biggrin:

 

[DeltaT]

What does "scramble switch incorporated into it" mean?

Thanks,

Jim

 

[Mad_Trbo]

Scramble is the ability to push a button and momentarily achieve a different level of boost.

With regard to the fail safe, I personally prefer to if I can leave some portion of control up to the system itself. I have seen to many folks who either ignored or just weren't aware of the warning in the heat of battle.

RAZOR

So I should hold off on purchasing alky kit to see what's going on with yours... By the way does your pump have a pressure switch?

 

[Speedz06]

I really want to be able to monitor the system--I hope whatever Razors' got going on I can use.BTW--I am buying a T-TYPE!!--Holy **** am I gonna have questions!!

 

[Razor]

Scramble is the ability to push a button and momentarily achieve a different level of boost.

With regard to the fail safe, I personally prefer to if I can leave some portion of control up to the system itself. I have seen to many folks who either ignored or just weren't aware of the warning in the heat of battle.

RAZOR

So I should hold off on purchasing alky kit to see what's going on with yours... By the way does your pump have a pressure switch?

The Shurflo pumps when they came with a pressure switch on top, it was tied inline with the main power wires going to its motor. Turning this screw down would then increase the pressure threshold of when the switch would de-activate the power to the pump. This is how you get a 60 PSI pump to do 100+ PSI. The heads on the pumps are all the same from 40 PSI-220 PSI. The brand new pumps I started using on water will hit 260 PSI.

In other words.. switch was set to 60 PSI.. pump hits 60 PSI.. kills power to the motor.. pressure drops under 60.."click" pump turns back on. Turning the screw down would then increase this pressure threshold to the limit of the motor and the parts used.

If you look on-line at any pictures of a Shurflo pump.. you'll notice the two red wires leading to it.

The new failsafe is up-n-running as of last week on all the kits being shipped out.. I will not get into details on-line yet as to how it works.. too many eye's I will say it.. "I now have a presetable way to determine pressure/flow on the system on a simple visual..."

Next is incorporating it into controlling XYZ what one wants to deactivate in case of.. That part i'll leave to the individual.. as way way too many different scenario's even on the same car. And its hard enough to connect a few wires and not getting into now altering the engine management.

 

[Mad_Trbo]

Where can I get more details?

 

[Razor]

There's nothing on-line. Gotta keep somethings tied down :wink:

Info is a call away

 

[norbs]

Send us the upgrade!!

 

[Razor]

Send us the upgrade!!

Hey.. didnt you send me an email a few days ago with your address.. :wink:

Wait.. i'm not suppossed to help someone faster than me :biggrin:

Cheers..

BTW.. thanks for the O2 offer.. ended up being my box took a dump when the battery went to zero on the car and then it got the charger put on.. lost its memory.. so it has to go to FAST for the reload..so.. in case a charger has to be put on the car.. disconnect the FAST.. yeah yeah.. Gen 7 doesnt have that issue

 

[norbs]

I had a gen 7 with your name on it! But i guess you were to busy testing pumps! Can that shurflo support two m-15 nozzles?

 

[Razor]

I had a gen 7 with your name on it! But i guess you were to busy testing pumps! Can that shurflo support two m-15 nozzles?

I'm on a 10+15.. and there are cars already on 4 10's.. So the question is.. can your motor support two M15's ..

The new thingamadingy i'm sending you will take it a little further..