Red Armstrong's new MAF setup

[TurboJim]

Originally posted by gnjones231
I used my high speed datalogger and logged the Ford maf against the stock maf, and then figured out the maf tables from there. This also took care of the 255g/s limit , has way less restriction than a
Dave
gnjones231

Could yhou explain how this occurred? Since it has been proven the ECM and/or its calcs begin to lose accuracy as low as 180gps? (Simply stated, the ECM "wigs out") Did you simply take 180+ gps and set them to 255 then write a codepatch to KEEP them locked as long as TPS was X and RPM was Y?

What does even a sensor dipped in 24K gold and sprinkled with diamond chunks have to do with the ECM's limitation?

 

[TurboDave]

Re: Red's MAF

Originally posted by turbolc2
(snip) Someone has said that few run fast on the translator.I think if the req'd tuning time is spent ,the translator is only limited by the LS1 MAF & the 8 bit Motorola. (snip)

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. Neal S. is flirting with 9's on his setup (stock computer, translator, LS1 MAF)

Tuning is just a lot easier now cuz the 255 limit is artificialy removed/moved.

 

[Fuelie600]

I think the last post you'll have seen from Ron was the beating he took on his Max Boost Launch kit. It's really a shame, as we are all loosers. Red is his own man and has nothing to prove to anyone. If you don't like him or his products, don't buy them, it's that simple. Those of us who have followed Reds and now Rons advise are reaping the benifits. Don't mean to sounds flamish, but cheap shots at good people SUCK! Brian GSCA

 

[Bobtempest]

Originally posted by Fuelie600
I think the last post you'll have seen from Ron was the beating he took on his Max Boost Launch kit. It's really a shame, as we are all loosers. Red is his own man and has nothing to prove to anyone. If you don't like him or his products, don't buy them, it's that simple. Those of us who have followed Reds and now Rons advise are reaping the benifits. Don't mean to sounds flamish, but cheap shots at good people SUCK! Brian GSCA

Brian, I agree with you 100%.
It is a shame when a good vendor takes a beating for nothing. There has been some vendors that deserved to be brought to task for bad service or a product that flat did not work. Even Jason Camer has been somewhat a victim of people beating up on his product without proof. People can let their keyboard cause a lot of hurt feelings and uncalled for remarks. Cheap shots do stink!

 

[TurboJim]

Originally posted by Fuelie600
I think the last post you'll have seen from Ron was the beating he took on his Max Boost Launch kit.

That was from ME, and I STILL feel this kit would be a great addition to any enthusiast if it didnt use compression fittings. I dont care if the ferrules are strong enough to hold up a 747. you cant control the competence of the installer. If its not quite tight enuf, or its too tight whever, you ARE looking at a failure. I'm sorry you and Bob feel this way. In its present form (if it hasnt been changed, Ron and I dont speak, so I dont know), I STILL insist its dangerous! Especially where a possibly TR-fixably challenged person may be involved.

On the other hand, if the vendor(s) who are getting bashed, took the criticism constructively, and instead of defending a proven error (again, I dont care if these compression fittings will hold up the golden gate bridge) Simply change that particular design. I know why it wasnt, because few people have the proper tools to double flare a brake line. And its those people who SHOULDNT be modifying their brake system to begin with!! You dont screw with the brakes!! If the engine stalls/blows up, who gives a rats pooper, but if you cant stop, people get hurt!

Forget killing yourself...what about the possibility of killing that woman and her child on the road IF and I said IF these damn things fail!! Wouldjnt it be smart to take the necessary precautions to prevent a tragedy? Do you think GM uses flare fittings because they think theyre pretty????

Other than stuff like this, I have ZERO problems with Ron, I'd honestly like to get along with him. But I cant see it happening when a person sticks to their guns so rigidly, when they are flat out WRONG.

If I'm the a$$hole, so be it. As for buying the products, I did once, but wont do so again. I'll stay my mediocre self, I can live with that

 

[Bobtempest]

I do not think you are an *******; heck we all have our moments. I did not remember or pay that much attention to the use of compression fittings thread but will offer this. Many years ago, I purchased a "Hydroboost" jumper setup from old BGC and it used the steel compression fittings. To date I have never had a leak or a problem with the compression fittings. I agree the flare maybe better, but you are right most do not have the tools. This is not to say they are not smart enough to work on their own brakes. The compression fittings have served me for years. Believe me I have put enough pressure though them to crack two sets of aluminum brake drums, since replaced with 12" steel drums and backing plates. I would not think twice about using them again.
Maybe some opinions would be better discussed directly to the vendor to begin with, instead of here.
Again in a group as small as the TRs, we need try to get along. I hate hard feelings and miss Ron's posts. I for one have been around him enough to know he is a hell of a good guy and works hard to make a difference. This place has always been a minefield for a vendor and many others stay away also.
We just all have different ways of trying to skin the cat.
This really has a lot to do with the first post in the thread. I got carried away.

 

[Steve Wood]

Well, compression fittings or not, I thought it pretty funny when the Jumper was reinvented. I guess some of these guys don't realize that some of us are old enuf to have been around for the original invention.

Pretty soon, I expect intercooler fan shrouds and aftercoolers to be reinvented!

 

[lazaris]

Originally posted by TurboJim


True, but LC's going 215 on one, the Late Steve Grebeck went 218 (I think it was 218) on one, many others are over 170 with it, I think it'll be fast enough for my MAYBE 10 sec motor..

True but they dont rely on it for correction is all I stated. I'll save my $2000 for other things at the point im at. It seems to have worked well for me so far. And in your first reply you didnt directly say he stole from the Xlator but did use the word steal and it was insinuated.

 

[The Radius Kid]

Originally posted by Steve Wood
Well, compression fittings or not, I thought it pretty funny when the Jumper was reinvented. I guess some of these guys don't realize that some of us are old enuf to have been around for the original invention.

Pretty soon, I expect intercooler fan shrouds and aftercoolers to be reinvented!

Now,don't be facetious Steve.I just hope that Booster uses steel fittings for the compression to line connections.If not,you could pay dearly.
As to the Raptor,interesting idea.However,I use the Plecan relocation idea[into the upo,thanks Bruce!].Works great.Now I can fit a 4" cold air inlet.Why would I need a 4" MAF?Can I pass emissions with it?I wonder?
As far as topend fuel goes,I think the traditional method should work just fine if I exceed the capabilities of the 3" Impy MAF.

 

[Steve Wood]

If you exceed the capabilites of the stock maf..just do away with it and run the new ME. No need for gimmicks....but don't hope to pass emissions.

 

[BLACK6PACK]

I think I'll follow steve w. on this one and stick with the ME. I went a couple of rounds with Reds chips and never could get them to run right. The thing that irritated me is that he wouldn't put the scanmaster fast update code on the chip. He flat out refused to do it. Now I have the ME with the fast update. How much of a cost are we looking at to upgrade to the MAFless ME? Without giving away secrets, how does he get around not metering the air?

 

[Steve Wood]

don't know that he has priced it as of yet. He has several out beta testing.

More like a speed density system....

 

[mycarsucks]

Hopefully a fairly adjustable speed density system versus the traditional speed density? If not, wouldn't you be pretty locked in every time you made a serious upgrade? Heads, cam etc?

 

[Steve Wood]

It is somewhere in between...if you change injectors, you gonna have to get a new set of fuel curves...it works with the stock ecm and there is only so much room to store stuff in a 512 chip. It will be a lot cheaper than a full fledged dfi, I am sure. He has a lot of pricing margin to play with.

 

[mycarsucks]

I do think it's really cool that people keep making products for these cars. I have always wondered if chips like the new Red, and the extender did things with the tables that the rest of us know about or if its something else. I did a search and cant really see how the extender works...

 

[Warp6]

that Red is one smart cookie Are there any pics of the Raptor setup?

 

[Wht87T]

.3 to .4 tenths????? Put me first on the order list!

 

[bruce]

Originally posted by The Radius Kid


As to the Raptor,interesting idea.However,I use the Plecan relocation idea[into the upo,thanks Bruce!].Works great.Now I can fit a 4" cold air inlet.Why would I need a 4" MAF?Can I pass emissions with it?I wonder?

A sharp inspector doing a visual would catch it. Drat.

Just amazes me, more folks aren't experimenting, along these lines (MAFs and relocating them). Like I mentioned before, once you get to being ROMless, you can do about anything you want with the code.

 

[The Radius Kid]

That's what bugs me.
You change your inlet system to read more accurately and hopefully,more cleanly,and they say you've got a hot rod or modified car.
Now I just bypassed all the potential vaccum leaks and misinformation in the inlet system and improved the car's performance and mileage and what are they gonna say?
Jerks.Maybe they should wake up.Gas is expensive and I don't like blowing money on things that waste it.
However the car still runs like a dream.
Thanks again Bruce.

 

[TurboDiverArt]

Hummm, learn something new everyday.

"Try to find his front mount IC, or his Weldon fuel pump, etc. He uses a stock appearing street approach that I like and admire. "

I just always thought red ran a double pumper. Anyone know if he's still got the stock fuel lines or went to larger lines? I've heard it said by a well known and respected TR guru that the stock fuel lines and a double pumper can support 1000 (oops corrected) 900 HP.

Interesting. If he went with larger fuel lines and a Weldon pump he's got my vote! No reason to push the limits of something so simple to correct!