safe to reuse new unfired headgaskets????

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Engine is a fresh rebuild. Need to redo head studs. Can I reuse the head gaskets that I already torqued down a few times? Engine has not been run, still sitting on the engine stand. Head gasket are still new . Head gaskets have been compressed, torqued to 90ft/lbs with arp studs.
Safe to use or go get another set of the felpro 9441pt.:confused:
TIA
Lorenzo

I am thinking that they should be fine because they have not seen any heat.
Let me know what you think:)
 
If you retorque them a few lbs higher than before, you'll be ok. This will ensure that they are minimally at the same compressed state that they were in before. This may sound strange to you, but we used red loctite on all main and head studs on hundreds of engines with no problems. Just use it on the ends of the studs that screw into the block, and only use oil on the end where the head nuts are. Make sure you have everything ready to go, so you can torque in as many small increments as you can before the loctite cures. But dont stress over it, because even after it does cure, that red can handle a full turn without breaking the water tight seal. And dont EVER use teflon thread sealants. EVER! Teflon tapes and pastes are made to work with air fittings in buildings and on machinery that uses compressed air, with no moisture and especially no oil. Oil breaks the teflon bond faster than you can sneeze. And after the teflon cures, if you try and turn a screw, at all, the teflon ill rip to shreds and become useless. Ive seen permatex market this crap as 600 degree safe sealant for use on engines...dont believe it. Its worthless on an engine where any fluids are involved...especially oils and gasoline and other distillates. Use blue loctite on all fuel line fittings and red on all oil related fittings, studs, bolts, etc. Green loctite has no business on any engine. Its extremely brittle and extremely hard and abrasive.
 
That's funny...I've used the GM teflon pipe sealant on many different connections with different fluids...fittings...head bolts/studs...etc with zero problems and no leakage...what do you think GM used on the threaded ends of stock headbolts..:rolleyes:
 
I've used head gaskets over after running a short period of time, with no problems. I also use GM liquid teflon, used it forever, on every engine job I've done with no problems. Permatex makes a two part sealer, cleaner-sealer, that works good also. Not to steal your thread but what is being used on the old style steel shim gaskets as a sealer, if any?? Thanks Phil
 
If you retorque them a few lbs higher than before, you'll be ok. This will ensure that they are minimally at the same compressed state that they were in before. This may sound strange to you, but we used red loctite on all main and head studs on hundreds of engines with no problems. Just use it on the ends of the studs that screw into the block, and only use oil on the end where the head nuts are. Make sure you have everything ready to go, so you can torque in as many small increments as you can before the loctite cures. But dont stress over it, because even after it does cure, that red can handle a full turn without breaking the water tight seal. And dont EVER use teflon thread sealants. EVER! Teflon tapes and pastes are made to work with air fittings in buildings and on machinery that uses compressed air, with no moisture and especially no oil. Oil breaks the teflon bond faster than you can sneeze. And after the teflon cures, if you try and turn a screw, at all, the teflon ill rip to shreds and become useless. Ive seen permatex market this crap as 600 degree safe sealant for use on engines...dont believe it. Its worthless on an engine where any fluids are involved...especially oils and gasoline and other distillates. Use blue loctite on all fuel line fittings and red on all oil related fittings, studs, bolts, etc. Green loctite has no business on any engine. Its extremely brittle and extremely hard and abrasive.

i agree with the above post 100%. i use blue locktite on the studs as well
 
One thing I've learned after being a auto tech for the past 20 years is, you can ask ten mechanics the same question, and get ten different answers.;)
 
That's funny...I've used the GM teflon pipe sealant on many different connections with different fluids...fittings...head bolts/studs...etc with zero problems and no leakage...
If it's GM # 12346004 , I think that's actually a higher-performance thread locker/sealant. At least, Permatex cross-refs the GM to Permatex "565 High Performance Thread Sealant" and "592 High Temperature Thread Sealant".

I agree that ordinary Permatex #14 "Thread Sealant with PTFE" seems dicey. The #14 is not specifically rated for anti-freeze, and has lower temperature rating than the 565 and 592.
 
I to use pipe dope, and zero problem's and i reused head gasket's after runing them no problem.
 
I have reused unfired 9441's in the past with zero problems and have used ARP teflon sealer with no problems also.
Randy
 
New gaskets are on order.........

Thanks everyone for setting me straight.:biggrin:
Lorenzo
 
New gaskets are on order.........

Thanks everyone for setting me straight.:biggrin: Not sure I wanna take them up past 90ft/lbs. That whole peace of mind thing again:biggrin:
Lorenzo
 
" That whole peace of mind thing again " heck, I have no piece of mind when I see 30 psi, even with no knock and good o2s. hehe

Nevertheless, interesting opinion on teflon tape. But...I think I'll follow it. You know....for future re-builds...it is not a matter of if....but when!
 
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