Saw this in a chicago car sales paper

[Rafs-T-Type]

hope the pic works

2nd times the charm I hope

 

[DR BOOST]

dooooo eeeetttt !

 

[Rafs-T-Type]

Hell no...I don't do car dealerships.

 

[Tom R]

Ran V.I.N.:

I ran the V.I.N. and that car is actually a t-type with GN badges.

 

[TurboTGuy]

I ran the V.I.N. and that car is actually a t-type with GN badges.

That's never been done before...........

 

[regan j]

go buy it and then inform the stealership they misrepresented the vehicle and see what happens.

 

[JOHNDEEREGN]

moving this to the lounge for more exposure

 

[DCVING 6]

I ran the V.I.N. and that car is actually a t-type with GN badges.

All 86 GN's are that way. Title shows Regal T-type as the base car. WE2 for the GN option was something added on. It is different in 87.

 

[Dennis Kirban]

All 86 GN's are that way. Title shows Regal T-type as the base car. WE2 for the GN option was something added on. It is different in 87.

This is true the GN was an option on a Regal. Having sold a few as many of you know most titles read Regal coupes at least in my state (Pennsylvania) However, when Buick did that special run at the end of 1987 of 10,000 those were Grand Nationals and titled as Grand Nationals since you had no choices as they were specifically Grand Nationals.

As for the dealership claiming it is a Grand National the only way to verify at least a quick method is to see the trunk ID label codes to see if it has the WE 2 code.

Course Buick to add to the confusion used the WE code in the 198 LeSabre T-Types as well. It would have been nice at the start of the Turbo Regal project they had given these cars their own unique VIN numbers to track production better and make it less confusing for owners in later years. Same goes for the Turbo Limited models as well.

Again not complaining just stating that it would have been nice. The Syclones all had their own VIN numbers....for example. Not sure about the Turbo Trans Ams as I am not familar with them.

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

[Tom R]

I was going to ask if that was the only way to confirm the actual model the dealership is representing. I did email them for a second time about the car after running the VIN. I mentioned that the VIN code showed it as a t-type and they never responded. I guess there's only way way to know for sure. Thanks for the info.

 

["Turbo-T"]

It's gonna be a real slug off the line with only a 400 stall.

 

[machinegun]

Most GN's are titled as a regal with a Turbo engine or as a ttype. The only sure way to verify the GN option is to have the option code sticker with that vehicles VIN or the original window Sticker with the VIN and RPO codes.

I was not aware that any GN was titled as a GN.

When people stated this I have been very skeptical and have never seen one titled that way myself.

Interesting fact to learn.

 

[Dennis Kirban]

Most GN's are titled as a regal with a Turbo engine or as a ttype. The only sure way to verify the GN option is to have the option code sticker with that vehicles VIN or the original window Sticker with the VIN and RPO codes.

I was not aware that any GN was titled as a GN.

When people stated this I have been very skeptical and have never seen one titled that way myself.

Interesting fact to learn.

The GM method of titles is not something new.....back in the GTO days the original GTO was simply noted as a option on the Tempest/Lemans it wasn't until a few years later they were eventually titled as GTOs....least that is how I remember. That was how Delorean sneaked the 389 engine into the Lemans rather than designate a specific new model.

My facts may be slightly off on this but its a similar deal to how car models etc are titled originally. The key of course is the trunk ID label and the code for the Grand National...one reason so much importance is placed on that trunk ID label that GM started to use back around 1984.

Course today with computers running any fairly new VIN number can get you print out instantly on what options came in any specific GM car/truck etc.

 

[toofastforyou]

All 86 GN's are that way.

In Quebec, the car's registrations say "Buick Regal" no matter what year, GN or not...

Claude.

 

[turbofish38]

This is true the GN was an option on a Regal. Having sold a few as many of you know most titles read Regal coupes at least in my state (Pennsylvania) However, when Buick did that special run at the end of 1987 of 10,000 those were Grand Nationals and titled as Grand Nationals since you had no choices as they were specifically Grand Nationals.

As for the dealership claiming it is a Grand National the only way to verify at least a quick method is to see the trunk ID label codes to see if it has the WE 2 code.

Course Buick to add to the confusion used the WE code in the 198 LeSabre T-Types as well. It would have been nice at the start of the Turbo Regal project they had given these cars their own unique VIN numbers to track production better and make it less confusing for owners in later years. Same goes for the Turbo Limited models as well.

Again not complaining just stating that it would have been nice. The Syclones all had their own VIN numbers....for example. Not sure about the Turbo Trans Ams as I am not familar with them.

denniskirban@yahoo.com

But the Limiteds did have their own VIN. The same could be said for the GN and T-Type as well...assuming you meant to say that every turbo car should have the correct engine code in the VIN. I dont really consider the LeSabre GN as a true "GN" per say. It was just a cosmetic apperance package. No special VIN for the engine. Also the cowl tag will have some codes telling you whether it is legit or not. Plenty of info about that on this board if you do a search.

BTW the MSO on my 86 GN read "Buick Regal T-Type Grand National". In Nebraska the property tax was based off the MSRP of a base Regal with no options meaning that the tax accessor didn't recognize it as a T-Type from the VIN sequence. All moot point now seeing as cars older than 13 years are kind of property tax exempt. In Florida,which had no property tax it was just considered a Buick.

 

[novaderrik]

But the Limiteds did have their own VIN. The same could be said for the GN and T-Type as well...assuming you meant to say that every turbo car should have the correct engine code in the VIN. I dont really consider the LeSabre GN as a true "GN" per say. It was just a cosmetic apperance package. No special VIN for the engine. Also the cowl tag will have some codes telling you whether it is legit or not. Plenty of info about that on this board if you do a search.

BTW the MSO on my 86 GN read "Buick Regal T-Type Grand National". In Nebraska the property tax was based off the MSRP of a base Regal with no options meaning that the tax accessor didn't recognize it as a T-Type from the VIN sequence. All moot point now seeing as cars older than 13 years are kind of property tax exempt. In Florida,which had no property tax it was just considered a Buick.

up until the 87 model year, the GN was just a "cosmetic appearance package" that was added on top of the base Regal T Type car model, which was seen as totally separate from the regular Regal line as far as the paper pushers at GM were concerned. just looked at the title for my 84 T Type, and it just has it listed as a " Buick CP T T"- which is exactly how a GN should show up thru the 86 model year, at least in MN. insurance companies see it as a "Regal TT" when they run the VIN. in 87, the Grand National became it's own model, much like Chevy did with the SS Chevelles back in like 69 or 70 when insurance companies started noticing that they were getting kind of fast if they had certain options..