Spooling of the 6152 Turbo???

[murphster]

On my white T I had a 3200 9.5" Art Carr converter. I've run a stock turbo, GT6152, and a TE44. The GT6152 was very laggy until I installed an RJC boost controller to help the spool. The RJC boost controllers are simple grainger-valve type setups, not very expensive, so it wasn't a big cost. The car wasn't instant spool on the street, but it wasn't bad. I ran 11.4@114mph on the GT6152 and 11.6@113mph on the TE44. The converter wasn't too efficient and didn't mph well. The GT6152 pulled just a little harder.

On my 87 Regal, I'm now running a TE44 with a RJC boost controller and a ProTorque restalled D5 with 2900 stall or somewhere. The TE44 spools great. No timeslips yet, but I'd guess mid to high 11's. MPH might be very nice with the restalled D5 converter.

 

[ReaL99]

On my white T I had a 3200 9.5" Art Carr converter. I've run a stock turbo, GT6152, and a TE44. The GT6152 was very laggy until I installed an RJC boost controller to help the spool. The RJC boost controllers are simple grainger-valve type setups, not very expensive, so it wasn't a big cost. The car wasn't instant spool on the street, but it wasn't bad. I ran 11.4@114mph on the GT6152 and 11.6@113mph on the TE44. The converter wasn't too efficient and didn't mph well. The GT6152 pulled just a little harder.

On my 87 Regal, I'm now running a TE44 with a RJC boost controller and a ProTorque restalled D5 with 2900 stall or somewhere. The TE44 spools great. No timeslips yet, but I'd guess mid to high 11's. MPH might be very nice with the restalled D5 converter.

It seems to me I should just keep the Te-44 and maybe just add a Precision .63 Housing.Also a 9.5 32oo stall converter.I also have a RJC valve but it doesn't work because my wastegate or Racegate is near the middle of the crosspipe.I think the stock style set up or the THDP is what I would need for the RJC valve to work.

 

[murphster]

A restalled D5 should be enough to run quick times on a TE44. But if you want more spool, you could go to a slightly smaller converter like a 10.5" with a 3200 stall or so. A 9" or 9.5" is probably overkill, but some people like the faster spool and run fast on those too. You are generally going to pay more for a high quality 9.5" though.

You should be able to spool well and light up the tires easily on a TE44 with a restalled D5, same setup as me. I might look into maximizing the piping first and making sure there are no exhaust leaks, etc.

 

[ReaL99]

Im sure I can run decent times with my current set up but I don't care about Racing the car.I just care about how responsive the car feels on the street where 100% of the time it will be run on.I don't think a 3200 is overkill on a PTE-44.I know its alot of fun on the street though.I don't think I have any exhaust leaks just a bad style racegate setup.There's so many guys running a 3200 converter with the Te-44 for some reason.I think it gives the motor more pep driving around town.

 

[dsa87gn]

if your only running 17-18lbs put a stocker back on. With your stall and desires it will fry the tires faster than anything posted and spool like mad. i dont think you will gain anything with a bigger turbo at that boost. Or Trade your 44 for a stocker + cash and come out with gas money for the summer:wink:

 

[ReaL99]

The Te-44 hits really hard. I just might have to swap to a .63 PTE Housing because the Garret Housing is a bit small.I will be adding a Vigilante 3200 and can't wait to see how the car responds on the street.If it spools to fast I could always go back to the 3:42 Gears in place of my 3:73 Gear's.I am running BFG Drag Radials that are 28 Inches tall which really helps with traction even when i do no burn out from a stop and build boost.I may go later on to a Te-60 but if I have to raise boost to get results I would pass on that because this car will be driven only on the street.I'D rather have a street terror car that some big Turbo that takes seconds to spool.

 

[Mr.Spool]

real99,i agree with bison,garret .63 on the 12 inch.if you upgrade the converter you can run either housing however,it's my experience the car will be quicker with less pedal effort with the garret housing below 21lbs of boost.above 21psi and the pte housings superior flow capabilities flex their muscles.

 

[SCOOBY DOO]

Last season I ran the 6152E standard journal with a 3400 9.5" convertor and it spooled very well. Over the winter I went with a new 204/214 cam with race ported heads, port matched intake, ported and polished dog house and a 3" GBODY DP. The car now spools so fast it's insane.

 

[turbo6mike]

Off the subject but whats the fastest someone has run with this turbo with good heads and intake.

 

[ReaL99]

real99,i agree with bison,garret .63 on the 12 inch.if you upgrade the converter you can run either housing however,it's my experience the car will be quicker with less pedal effort with the garret housing below 21lbs of boost.above 21psi and the pte housings superior flow capabilities flex their muscles.

I have traction problems from a dead stop with the Garret Housing.Once it hits full boost and 2nd Gear I have to get off the throttle.The PTE housing seemed to hit just as hard without the car going sideways.I should have never sold the PTE .63 Housing.This is at 18 lbs of Boost.I like both Housings though.

 

[ReaL99]

Last season I ran the 6152E standard journal with a 3400 9.5" convertor and it spooled very well. Over the winter I went with a new 204/214 cam with race ported heads, port matched intake, ported and polished dog house and a 3" GBODY DP. The car now spools so fast it's insane.

3400 Stall converet in my opinion is to much converter for a 100% street car.

 

[ReaL99]

if your only running 17-18lbs put a stocker back on. With your stall and desires it will fry the tires faster than anything posted and spool like mad. i dont think you will gain anything with a bigger turbo at that boost. Or Trade your 44 for a stocker + cash and come out with gas money for the summer:wink:

First of all who the heck wants to fry the tires??? Maybe a 16 year old kid.Not Me.I have CNC Ported Race Heads,Front Mount Intercooler,Matched Ported Intake.To me to put a stocker back on would like going 5 steps back.If anything I would consider a Te-60 Turbo.I heard those Turbo's are just as good as the 44's with 20-30 more Horsepower on the top end.

 

[Mr.Spool]

real99,your excessive tire spin with the garret housing is exactly what i'm talking about.the larger housing soften the bottom end which is why the tire does not spin as hard.upgrade the converter and decide on a comfortable boost range,see how the car reacts then make a decision.the contact patch on the bfg is only 8.8,the softer m't has more contact patch.imagine the feel of your car with a softer wider tire and the fast spoolup of the garret housing why spend the money on a bigger wheel for 20-30 horse?more boost=more airfow=more power,hit's the tire harder,the sooner the turbo spools the tire feels it.your 44 is not maxed out at 17lbs,so pick a boost range you want to run,want more up top, go with the pte.63,down below garret.63.

 

[ReaL99]

real99,your excessive tire spin with the garret housing is exactly what i'm talking about.the larger housing soften the bottom end which is why the tire does not spin as hard.upgrade the converter and decide on a comfortable boost range,see how the car reacts then make a decision.the contact patch on the bfg is only 8.8,the softer m't has more contact patch.imagine the feel of your car with a softer wider tire and the fast spoolup of the garret housing why spend the money on a bigger wheel for 20-30 horse?more boost=more airfow=more power,hit's the tire harder,the sooner the turbo spools the tire feels it.your 44 is not maxed out at 17lbs,so pick a boost range you want to run,want more up top, go with the pte.63,down below garret.63.

Your thinking just like me on this. I should have never sold the PTE Housing because I had Race Heads,Matching Ported Intake,Front Mount Intercooler.I was inexpierenced at the time with the Buick T'S.I don't have a Cat on my car.I do have the dreaded Flowmaster muffler's though. My car runs strong but I know with a 3200 and the PTE it will be like night and day.I may need a stickier tire then the BFG Drag Radial's but I will deal with that later.I can also put back my 3:42 Gears and replace my 3:73 Gears if I have traction problems.

 

[murphster]

With all this talk about spooling, quick street car etc..... You're not really making much power running only 18psi through a TE44 with a .63 housing. Throw in the front mount and its no wonder it feels laggy.

If you want to maximize street performance without consideration for track performance, I'd go to a stretched stock location IC or even a dutt neck IC if you are only running low boost. I'm not sure about any extra lag with an external wastegate. It seems like a waste to use an external for only 18lbs boost on a 44 though. Easy enough to sell it an go to a THDP style DP and combine it with an RJC boost controller. For more power, throw in an alky kit and raise the boost to 22lbs or so. It will be killer on the street even with your current converter. Spool won't be an issue.

 

[nuclearxp]

What kind of power are you guys talking about with this turbo?

I realize I have a different car than ya'all (check sig) but I start losing traction at about 12psi and haven't had my setup run over 13.5 yet. FYI I have 3.73 gears, Comp KDWs and Spohn rear suspension.

I just had the exhaust to turbo up-pipe refabbed and I'm sure it'll spool even faster. With my 3200 stall the turbo starts buildin boost right at 3100-3200.

Are the GN compressions higher than my motor? I swear if I cranked my boost controller up to 18psi my car would shred the tires anywhere under 60mph.

 

[bison]

The TE44 has been 10.88@122+ on an unopened engine . The 6152 would be nearly identical to the 44 with a Garrett housing on it but i have never seen a garrett on a 6152. Maybe 200-300 more stall needed to make ita tire fryer like the 44 with a garrett .63. Most guys opt for a higher stall 9.5" and then the housing a/r isnt as critical.

 

[buttonfly]

Te44 Vs. 6152

I don't know why I havn't chimed in earlier on this subject. I just switched over the winter from a te44 to a 6152. I just changed over the winter so I can give you real world data. I ran the 44 with a stock a D5. I loved the spool with the stock d5 and the rjc valve. When I made the the switch to the 6152 I was waiting on my PTC converter so in the mean time I ran around with the stock converter. It was laggy, but manageable. I installed a 3200 from PTC and was very impressed with the spool up time, but I really think it was to loose. I had Dusty tighten it up to a 2800, and it is so much better. Spool up is incredible!!! This setup is awesome, and I am so pleased with it. I do run the PTE housing, and 25psi on pump and ALKY!! I wasn't happy with the top end of the 3200, but I have not been to the track with the 2800 yet. Good luck.

 

[ReaL99]

Thats one of the reason I may not go with a 3200 Stall Converter for my Te-44.On occasions on the highway I like to floor it at 60 MPH and with more stall it might slow it down at the top end.I have a Garret housing which I would like to replace with the PTE Housing.The 3200 will give it more pep and thats great on a street car.I don't think its fun frying the tires though.I don't think my car will fry the tires with the way its set up.Front Mount Intercooler,Racegate at the crosspipe,No Cat,Flowmaster's,CNC Ported Race cylinder Heads and Matching Ported Intake.I do have a RJC valve but it doesn't work because my Racegate is so far from the Turbo.Im guessing thata why the valve doesn't work and help the spool.It spools well enough for a wicked blast from a stop on the street though.

 

[turbo6mike]

Buttonfly????What was your top end with your 3200???I installed my 6152 and Im going to put my 3200 pro-torque converter in soon but I dont want it to kill my top end.I talked to some of the companies that sell this stuff and they all say 3200 stall is the best but I guess the people with the actual experience is better to ask.Thanks