Stock Cross Over limits?

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MISSING 2 CYLINDERS???
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Just wondering if the stock cross over pipe would have reduce flow verses an after market C/O pipe. I've piece milled together a set of headers, SS ATR driver side, Old Poston's Pass side and currently using the stock crossover and was wondering if I would see any flow advantage or gains from some type of aftermarket cross over?
 
Depends on your build & use. If it's pretty much stock & only for the street stay with the stock factory sized cross over 2 1/4" pipe.
I've heard that going to a larger diameter crossover will only add lag to building boost for this type of use.

I'm pretty sure that both my Kenne Bell headers I used to have & my TA Race Headers have 2 1/4" sized cross over pipes.

However, if you've got big cubes / stroker , high stall convertor etc…..& are more track oriented, then I believe a larger 2 1/2" diameter cross over would be OK.
 
You can make the crossover 10 inches... but you'll still be blowing through the same sized header flanges. By adding preturbo exhaust volume you'll be slowing down spool too. Keep in mind, the crossover only has to handle 1/2 the engine.

When it comes to exhaust, you always want just enough to do the job and nothing more.
 
The question was for my 4.1 street engine. Currently it's stock stroke but that may change as I have a 3.625 crank just dying to make it's way into the 4.1..

To many other things on the list to get a set of TA headers anytime soon, so I had been questioning myself if a new cross over on my rag-tag set of headers would help.
 
I'd worry more about controlling backpressure. The crossover won't matter at all. The engine combo, turbo, and wastegate strategy means a lot
 
From what I am reading here, ( Earl & Bison ) you would be fine just staying with stock headers, unless your in to the deep 10's. True ?
 
That post about blowing through the header flanges hit me right between the eyes...
 
From what I am reading here, ( Earl & Bison ) you would be fine just staying with stock headers, unless your in to the deep 10's. True ?
The only reason id replace them would be because they were shot from thousands of heat cycles or I got a good deal on a set. The factory manifolds are a very good design for a turbo engine and not a limitation. The exhaust housing is the limitation because large turbines can't be optimized in it. I wouldn't expect any power increases in even an 800hp application by switching to any other header as long as the stock flanges were made to accommodate larger ex ports. The exhaust pressure vs turbine shaft speed is what needs to be optimized. You want to have the highest mass flow with the least ex pressure. Which means just enough energy to drive the turbine to keep up with the engines needs and no extra. There are things that can be done to gain an advantage with this if the compressor and turbine are working together at the right pressures. It's very possible to see a decrease in ex pressure while increasing manifold pressure all while increasing mass flow. You will find that the engines brake specific fuel consumption improves. You are using the same or less fuel to make the same amount of power. Pumping losses are reduced and the engine is more efficient.
 
The only reason id replace them would be because they were shot from thousands of heat cycles or I got a good deal on a set. The factory manifolds are a very good design for a turbo engine and not a limitation. The exhaust housing is the limitation because large turbines can't be optimized in it. I wouldn't expect any power increases in even an 800hp application by switching to any other header as long as the stock flanges were made to accommodate larger ex ports. The exhaust pressure vs turbine shaft speed is what needs to be optimized. You want to have the highest mass flow with the least ex pressure. Which means just enough energy to drive the turbine to keep up with the engines needs and no extra. There are things that can be done to gain an advantage with this if the compressor and turbine are working together at the right pressures. It's very possible to see a decrease in ex pressure while increasing manifold pressure all while increasing mass flow. You will find that the engines brake specific fuel consumption improves. You are using the same or less fuel to make the same amount of power. Pumping losses are reduced and the engine is more efficient.

I sure wish I knew what you do. What you said makes total sense. I will be in the market for a new turbo soon. I will see you first
 
My car went the times in my sig with 1.5" primaries and a 2" crossover. At 3450lbs. that's about 850hp. It spools so fast It's like a roots blower.
 
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